Veterans

From:  (name withheld)
Subject: Veterans
Date: May 10, 2019 at 4:52:25 AM MDT

 

As a veteran and a Christian, let me just say, you are a disgrace.

You really need to go back and study the “separation of church and state”, so that you can see that the purpose of it was to protect our religious freedoms from the state, not to protect the state from us. The point was to allow our FREE and OPEN expression of religion.

I’m going to pray for you, and for veterans everywhere. I’m also going to find ten ways to openly display my faith on post and around other veterans this month. From veterans and Christians everywhere, you’re welcome for your freedom to be an idiot.

(name withheld)

Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Marty France

On May 10, 2019, at 8:04 AM, Martin France wrote:

(name withheld),
Mikey (and I) are very busy, but occasionally I help him and answer some emails.  You are a christian.  I am an atheist.  We have different perspectives for sure.  What I don’t think you understand is that the MRFF isn’t suppressing anything except the rights of some to impose a perception on all that a SPECIFIC religious belief has some higher or stronger importance in the lives of military personnel and especially in providing strength to POWs and MIAs than others.  A bible on a table as the one and only representation of mental/spiritual strength tells me that some thing that those that use or depend upon a christian bible are somehow more worthy of respect and memorialization that those that are non-religious or gain their strength from another scriptural source.  I know MANY incredibly strong atheist veterans and current active duty folks that feel differently.  At a place like a VA treatment facility, it also sends the implicit message that those who are christian are somehow more welcome at the facility than non-christians.  That, my friend, is counter to our Constitution’s Establishment Clause (google it by clicking left) and hence, the law suit.
If there was some single object we could put on a table to represent mental/spiritual strength for ALL who serve, I’d be all for it.  For me, the only thing I can think of would be a pocket-sized version of the Constitution.  The Koran, Bible, Torah, or any of hundreds of other religious texts wouldn’t do it for me–but we could all agree, I think, on the Constitution, since THAT is the document and set of ideas that we all have in common and to which we’ve all sworn our allegiance in taking our oaths.
You are very welcome to pray for Mikey and me, and veterans everywhere.  You are also very welcome to openly display your faith around veterans this month.  There ARE, however, restrictions on how you can openly display your faith on post–and you know that if you really are currently a member of the active duty military.  The DoD has policy to cover that which has been backed by the courts (see Parker v. Levy).  If you’re in the Air Force, reference AFI1-1.  Yes, I, too, am free to be an idiot.  Thanks for that.  You, kind sir, are also free to be an ignoramous.  I will defend that right, as well as your right to lawfully express your religious beliefs, to the the death.  In fact, I defended your right to ignorance for almost four decades while in uniform
Thanks for writing.  Thanks for the generally civil tone.
Cheers,
Marty
37-Year Air Force Veteran

Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member John Compere
On May 10, 2019, at 8:38 AM, John Compere  wrote:
(name withheld),
 
Please be advised the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (composed of over 80% Christians) represents more than 62,000 American military men & women (96% of whom are Christians) who have complained & requested their right to freedom of religion under the US Constitution be respected & protected. The Foundation motto is “Fighting for our service members’ rights, so they can fight for ours.” For this pro bono constitutional advocacy, it has been officially nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize 7 times.
 
Be assured the thousands of patriotic men & women assisted do not believe the Foundation to be a disgrace & an idiot. Your comments reflect only upon yourself, disrespect them & reveal someone who does not comprehend American religious liberty.
 
You are advised the US Constitution (1st Amendment) provides our historic trinity of religious freedoms – (1) freedom from religion, (2) freedom of any religion or no religion, & (3) freedom for religious speech. It prohibits our government, which includes the military, from “respecting” a religion & requires government neutrality regarding religion (neither pro-religious nor anti-religious, but non-religious). That is & has been American separation of church & state since ratification by the states of our Bill of Rights in 1791.
 
Please consider praying for those military members who want the right to determine, enjoy & practice their own beliefs without having the beliefs of others forced upon them without invitation.
 
Most Sincerely,
Brigadier General John Compere, US Army (Retired)
Disabled American Veteran (Vietnam Era)
Advisory Board Member, Military Religious freedom Foundation

On Friday, May 10, 2019, 11:52:15 AM CDT,  (name withheld) wrote:
I think you’re a disgrace and an idiot. I never claimed that anyone else thinks so. You attack the religious freedom of veterans, and you disguise it as concern for the very freedom you’re attacking. If you somehow don’t know how wrong you are, then my original assessment of you was even more accurate than I thought. I mean that as disrespect, because I don’t respect you any more than you respect me.
(name withheld)

Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member John Compere
On May 10, 2019, at 2:29 PM, John Compere  wrote:


Your childish name-calling reflects only on yourself & reveals a contemptible clown who cannot communicate in a civil & competent manner. Perhaps you can comprehend this common childhood colloquialism: “Those who throw dirt only lose ground.”
 
The Military Religious Freedom Foundation knows well that willful ignorance is difficult to dissuade when infected with arrogance, acrimony & apathy. However, we earnestly endeavor to enlighten & will continue to do so. Hateful hypocrites like you only encourage us to work harder.

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