I Support VA Secretary Robert Wilkie, President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence

 

From: (name withheld)
Subject: I Support VA Secretary Robert Wilkie, President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence
Date: August 30, 2019 at 7:39:28 PM MDT

 

Dear Mikey,

What you are doing is pure persecution of Christians and their deeply held convictions. Thank God someone is calling you out for what is tantamount to tyranny against Veterans and families who love God! I am absolutely certain you and the Secular Humanists and Atheists at MRFF don’t know it’s tyranny and think you are  ‘for’ America and ‘defending’ the Constitution!

What you don’t realize is that Christianity grows with persecution and the more severe the tyranny, the greater the growth. We have endured persecution for 2000 years, beginning with Jesus Christ’s crucifixion and and the subsequent Roman Empire’s persecution of our faith. We have endured Roman Catholic persecution. We have endured Muslim Persecution. And Communist persecutions. And persecution from Nazi’s. And now persecution from Secular Humanists and Atheists in America, like you and the MRFF. The more you persecute Christians, the more we grow. We consider it God’s seal of approval if we are persecuted!

Vice President Mike Pence deserves our thanks and honor for standing for righteousness! The more you persecute him, the greater the Glory! The irony is, the very thing you accuse Mike Pence of doing, you are doing yourself! And what you don’t realize is that some of the most severe persecutors of Christianity become some of the greatest evangelists for Christianity! Consider Paul the Apostle! You very well may be on the Damascus Road yourself one day! Have you considered that you yourself may be called of God? Think about it! And pray! God is listening, Mikey! And we are praying for you!

From a Son of a Veteran

Love in Christ,

(name withheld)

Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Martin France

On Aug 31, 2019, at 6:35 AM, Martin France wrote:

(name withheld),
As an Advisory Board Member of the MRFF, I’d like to respond to your note if you don’t mind.  I’ll do by inserting comments below in bold purple.

From: (name withheld)

Subject: I Support VA Secretary Robert Wilkie, President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence
Date: August 30, 2019 at 7:39:28 PM MDT

 

Dear Mikey,

What you are doing is pure persecution of Christians and their deeply held convictions.

Actually, no, he’s not persecuting Christians,  The POW/MIA table is a tradition that dates back to the Vietnam War.  Yes, today, when the table is set and a script is read, many have chosen to include a Bible, but that’s problematic in many ways. Let me explain why…
You say your father was a veteran.  I’m sure you’re proud of him and I am thankful for his service.  When he served, he took an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States–either directly as an officer or indirectly as an enlisted man.  That Constitution states that the government cannot establish a religion (please look it up).  Moreover, courts have affirmed repeatedly that the government (in this case the VA) can’t show preference for one religion or religious view over others.  So, that means that if you, as a Christian would like to set up your own POW/MIA table at home or in your church or at a private dinner and put a Bible on the table, you’re perfectly okay to do that.  BUT–and this is a very big BUT–the government cannot, on its own grounds or within its organization, put a Bible alone on that table because that would imply preference for and endorsement of Christianity over other religions or no religion.  (Oh, and which version of the inerrant word of god should go there?  King James? ASV?  Joseph Smith Translation?)  It would, in effect, be saying that ALL POWs/MIAs are or were Christian or that ALL POWs/MIAs could gain strength from reading ONLY the Bible, or that the only POWs/MIAs worth memorializing are those that believe in the Bible.  EVERY ONE of those “or” statements is blatantly and demonstrably false.  I don’t deny that MANY POWs/MIAs are Christian and that MANY gained strength from the Bible, but not ALL–and by insinuating ALL, you demean those that we know did NOT.  Ask yourself this, “Would it be okay if a copy of the Torah or the Tripitaka was placed on the table?”  The point here is that since, historically, we can’t claim that ALL were Christian and the government can’t establish or endorse Christianity as the religion for ALL POWs/MIAs and those that honor them, the best and fairest way to handle it is to just leave ALL books off and then let each individual observing the ceremony or table think about their choice of god or inspirational text.  It’s kind of like the “moment of silence” allowing all to pray as they see fit (or to not pray) instead of imposing one religion’s prayer on all in attendance.
Thank God someone is calling you out for what is tantamount to tyranny against Veterans and families who love God!
By doing so, the Vice President and President are contradicting the Constitution they’re sworn to defend.  That’s not good.  The MRFF will defend Veterans and their families who “love God,” but will not allow those same families to impose their beliefs on all other Veterans and their families who may love another god or no god at all. 
I am absolutely certain you and the Secular Humanists and Atheists at MRFF don’t know it’s tyranny and think you are  ‘for’ America and ‘defending’ the Constitution!
You are correct in part.  Not sure how removing a Bible from a public place is tyranny, though, any more than removing a Torah or text by Sam Harris from the same table would be.  Being in the majority does not mean that giving you the same treatment as all other minorities is tyranny.  It just means that all are being considered equal under the law. 
What you don’t realize is that Christianity grows with persecution and the more severe the tyranny, the greater the growth. We have endured persecution for 2000 years, beginning with Jesus Christ’s crucifixion and and the subsequent Roman Empire’s persecution of our faith. We have endured Roman Catholic persecution. We have endured Muslim Persecution. And Communist persecutions. And persecution from Nazi’s. And now persecution from Secular Humanists and Atheists in America, like you and the MRFF. The more you persecute Christians, the more we grow. We consider it God’s seal of approval if we are persecuted!
Almost all religions and other tribal concepts grow under persecution.  I agree.  In this case, evangelical Christians, though, are creating and inflaming a sense of persecution where none exists to do exactly that.  They (VP Pence) are claiming victim status because the Constitution and established law says that they can’t simply impose their beliefs on everyone else just because they’re in the majority.  It would be like if the President said, “Not allowing me to order all Americans to dye their hair orange infringes on the free speech and religious rights of all orange-haired people and persecutes us in our goals to convert all to the Orange side.  It denies all orange-haired people’s rights to spread the goodness and awesome power of orange-headedness to all Americans who, we know, would be better off and happier with orange hair!  This is tyranny!  Orange hair for all now!!!”  Now, we all know that our dear President would NEVER say anything so irrational as that, but I use it simply to illustrate a point.
BTW, your comment “We consider it God’s seal of approval if we are persecuted!” sounds a lot like an Islamic fanatic’s call to martyrdom.  You have a lot in common, it seems, with another Abrahamic religion.  Many Jews feel similiarly, too, but in their case, they have more than a few historical examples of where this is actually, physically, tragically true–and in almost every case, the persecutors and killers were Christians.
Vice President Mike Pence deserves our thanks and honor for standing for righteousness! The more you persecute him, the greater the Glory! The irony is, the very thing you accuse Mike Pence of doing, you are doing yourself! And what you don’t realize is that some of the most severe persecutors of Christianity become some of the greatest evangelists for Christianity! Consider Paul the Apostle! You very well may be on the Damascus Road yourself one day! Have you considered that you yourself may be called of God? Think about it! And pray! God is listening, Mikey! And we are praying for you!
You venerate Mike Pence because you agree with him.  If a Muslim was the Vice President and made the same comments, but inserted “Koran” for “Bible” in his tweet, would you still defend his statement?  Instead, Pence concocts a fake news story to suit his narrative and to throw red meat to his core constituency, creating rift and conflict where none, Constitutionally, should exist.  Again, Andrew, you can worship whatever you want.  I and the MRFF will defend your right to do so–and I did as an active duty officer for 37-plus years–but I will not defend your right to IMPOSE your views on ALL veterans, current active duty members, or the memories of our POWs/MIAs at a government owned, tax-payer supported facility.  In fact, I and others will fight for our right to have and be respected for our own, personal religious views, be they Christian, Muslim, Jain, Hindu, Jewish, Atheist, or FSM.
 
Finally, thanks for sending that most rare of notes to the MRFF:  grammatically strong; reasonably calm; and devoid of four-letter words and overt condemnation to the fiery depths of hell.
 
Sincerely,
Marty France
Brigadier General, USAF (Retired)
MRFF Advisory Board Member

Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member John Compere
On Aug 31, 2019, at 8:06 AM, John Compere  wrote:

 

(name withheld),
 
Your self-righteous rhetorical rancor directed against a fellow American you do not even know reflects only on yourself & reveals a psuedo-Christian who disregards the principle tenets of his own faith. (i.e. love your neighbor – Matthew 22:39, Mark 12:31, Luke 10:27; treat others as you want to be treated – Matthew 7:12&25:40, Luke 6:31; be merciful and not condemn or judge others – Matthew 7:1&2, Luke 6:36&37). It is recommend you spend your time studying the religious scripture with which you seem to be so concerned instead of condemning others.
 
VA medical facilities are for all veterans seeking health care. They are not worship centers for Christians. Religious scriptures can be placed in hospital chapels for those who want to see them. To publicly promote & endorse one religion (over all other religions & beliefs) in the public foyer of government facilities violates the US Constitution 1st Amendment prohibiting our government from “respecting” a religion. Our secular government, which includes the DVA, must remain neutral regarding religion (neither pro-religion nor anti-religion but religion-neutral).
 
It is suggested you pray for those who do not respect the American Constitution nor the right of veterans who want to determine their own beliefs without having beliefs forced upon them – rather than praying for those who do.
 
John Compere
Brigadier General, Judge Advocate General’s Corps, US Army (Retired)
Disabled American Veteran (Vietnam Era)
Advisory Board Member, Military Religious Freedom Foundation (composed of over 80% Christians)

Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Quentin Collins
Hello (name withheld),
     I read your letter to Mikey and it took me a few days to formulate this response.  Before I delve into your letter, let me provide my Bonafides.  You see I am a part of MRFF as a member of the National Advisory group.  I am a born-again, spirit-filled and am absolutely sure of my final destination.  I have also been a pastor of some large evangelical churches.  Educated at a Nazarene university, completed Ministerial training at a Southern Baptist Seminary oh and received my Philosophical Doctorate from a Presbyterian University.  As far as vocations I served in both the US Air Force (enlisted), US Army (enlisted), US Army (officer-line), US Air Force (enlisted voluntary RIF), US Air Force (Chaplain-Officer) and retired as a Chaplain Colonel from the US Army.  I have been retired for 3.5 years, after serving over thirty years – honorably.  I served in several military operations in my career and completed it with forty-seven (47) months in combat in both Afghanistan and Iraq.  Unfortunately I was wounded in action in Iraq (2004 and 2008).  I served with some of the greatest military members that have sworn to defend the Constitution of the United States.  I have been awarded the Legion of Merit, two Bronze Stars (one with Combat V), two Purple Hearts and the list goes on.
     Now Andrew, you may ask why I am telling you this?  The answer is because you need to read the truth.  You see, I was not always a fan of Mikey or the MRFF.  I was filled with the one sided swill from people seeking to monopolize on their public disdain of Mikey in order to pump up their coffers (in most of those cases it is about money and fame). My beliefs became more open when I finally realized the efforts Mikey and MRFF to help the persecuted without regard to their faith or non-faith beliefs.  Through research I found that most of the communications that we receive regarding MRFF, Mikey and those of us “Secular Humanists and Atheists” helps one to see that the Constitution is under attack and MRFF is doing the right thing.
     You will be shocked to know that Mikey is not an Atheist, nor are most of the people who advise or serve with MRFF.  Would you believe over 65,000 clients have been or are being served by MRFF, the vast majority of whom are Christians who are being persecuted due to their faith?  You never heard this on the news, or for that matter when Mikey engaged one of our military Academy’s endorsement of an Atheist groups efforts to promote their beliefs on military property at a mandatory function, have you?
     Let me wrap this up before it becomes a book.  This “tyranny” you have accused Mikey and MRFF of is about as far from the truth as you can get.  Do you really want a government sponsored religion or for that matter, a government controlled by a particular denomination?  We have been at war in just such nations for over eighteen years, with many other actions (before 9/11) against the radicalized belief of one faith not the faith group as a whole. I have been face-to-face with evil and visited death too many times, so I can absolutely say that zealotry is the core and zealots the vehicle for these unimaginable atrocities.  Now radicalized members of a faith group are not isolated to Muslims, it pertains to Christians and Jews too.  These people who chose to defile a group of tenants or training like “love your enemy” or “do unto others as you would have them do to you” are working hard to push their specific religion. These radicals are insidiously being found more-and-more in our military and specifically, leaders.  This movement is accurately referred to as Domionism – the belief that our military should be a new Crusader element to further the cause of Christ through any means possible, up to and including death of self or others.  Do you want our military to espouse one particular variant of Christianity?  If you do then you, my friend, are with those people we are fighting across the globe.  An ideology is much harder to contain when those in charge are defending it.  Freedom of religion is not an after thought of a bunch of people seeking to press one type of religion on us, no it was in response to persecution and state sponsored religion.
     Finally, I will commend you on your grammar and spelling.  Most of the misguided hate mail sent to MRFF are filled with vile language as well as calls for murder, rape and eternal damnation of Mikey, his wife, children, grandchildren and the members of MRFF.  Seems a great way to win people over to a congenial discourse don’t you think?
Respectfully,
Quentin D Collins, US Army Chaplain (Colonel – Retired), PhD, CPC, ELI-MP
Thomas Jefferson Award Recipient (MRFF) 2017
MRFF Advisory Member
“And He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be death; there will no longer be sorrow and anguish, or crying, or pain; for the former order of things has passed away.”

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5 Comments

  1. OldSoldier

    I want to share a special poem written by Medal of Honor winner Colonel Lewis Millett. It is a reminder to us that a soldier is a mere mortal but it is the IMMORTAL who protects us all. I hope that little Mikey reads this
    I have fought when others feared to serve.
    I have gone where others failed to go.
    I’ve lost friends in war and strife,
    Who valued Duty more than love of life.
    I have shared the comradeship of pain.
    I have searched the lands for men that we have lost.
    I have sons who served this land of liberty,
    Who would fight to see that other stricken lands are free.
    I have seen the weak forsake humanity.
    I have heard the traitors praise our enemy.
    I’ve seen challenged men become even bolder,
    I’ve seen the Duty, Honor, Sacrifice of the Soldier.
    Now I understand the meaning of our lives,
    The loss of comrades not so very long ago.
    So to you who have answered duties siren call,
    May God bless you my son, may God bless you all.
    Lewis Millett

  2. Grey One talks sass

    Nice poem Old Soldier.

    Now, at the end, where it is written “May God bless you my son, may God bless you all.”

    I have just one question.

    Whose God? Yours or mine?

    And here’s the snark – you wrote you hoped Mikey would read your comment. Well, its his blog so why wouldn’t he?

  3. OldSoldier

    Gray one the God I’m talking about is everyone’s God stop playing a fool. Why don’t you read the story of Desmond Doss (Hacksaw Ridge). He was one of the finest Soldiers of all (Medal of Honor) and he had strong religious faith and so did Sergeant Alvin York. General Patton told his troops the chaplain was as important as any other officer. The spiritual well being of soldiers in war is just as important as their physical well being. You make fun of that Bible on a POW table. I have read books by so many men who were POWs in WWII, Korea and Vietnam that suffered years of living hell and they talked of how their faith in God got them through their ordeal GOT IT! I’ll tell you something else I don’t appreciate you calling me a bigot in your other post. 25 years of wearing this uniform taught me you judge a person by what they are inside. I used to tell my soldiers we were all green. By the way, did you ever serve in the military at all?

  4. Grey One talks sass

    Old Soldier I don’t ‘make fun’ of the Christian Bible on what should be a secular table honoring POWs, I strongly object. The fact you defend State enforced Christian religion for everyone means I can use words you object to even if they are a perfect fit

    Second time you’ve called me a fool, this time because I asked you a legitimate question. I will ask you again because I study religions throughout history and there are at least two thousand god’s and goddesses worshiped somewhere and sometime here on Earth. Whose God?

    I already know you mean your god. Because you believe your faith is correct for you it will be correct for everyone. And that is where you are wrong because you and I live in the USA. Your religious rights end where mine begin. That means no forcing your beliefs on anyone.

    And you close by questioning my patriotism, did I serve, what have I done? None of your beeswax. I owe you nothing. My words here define me just as yours define you. I use my words to defend Justice, Equality, Lawfulness, and Love. My conscience is clear.

  5. G

    “….but it is the IMMORTAL who protects us all. ……”

    Yeah, will God really protect us, then we wouldn’t need guns, bullets, planes, grenades, and even bayonets. We also wouldn’t have a need for the Purple Heart.

    “General Patton told his troops the chaplain was as important as any other officer. The spiritual well being of soldiers in war is just as important as their physical well being.”

    Do you have any solid evidence that backs up General Patton’s useless remark?

    “I have heard the traitors praise our enemy.”

    We praise the Germans and the North Vietnamese for their fighting qualities, does that makes us traitors? What about the Japanese fighter pilots? Americans always mock how the Japanese can’t fly and if they did, they wear thick eyeglasses and then they found out how good the Japanese naval fighter pilots were.

    Many American POWs did die in captivity no matter how religious they were. That is a fact in both war and life. Got it?

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