VIRAL MRFF MEDIA SURGE IGNITED BY PENCE SPEECH CONTINUES

From:  (name withheld)
Subject: Re: VIRAL MRFF MEDIA SURGE IGNITED BY PENCE SPEECH CONTINUES
Date: September 4, 2019 at 5:18:13 AM MDT

 

I find this to be a ridiculously stupid fight Mr. Weinstein. So petty. Nw who is the snowflake again?

Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member John Compere
On Sep 4, 2019, at 7:57 AM, John Compere  wrote:
(name withheld),
 
Department of Veteran Affairs medical centers are for all veterans (of all religious & non-religious beliefs) seeking health care. They are not exclusive worship centers for fundamentalist Christians. Religious scriptures can be placed in the hospital chapels for those who wish to see, read, use or worship them.
 
To publicly promote one religion version over all other beliefs by placing its religious scripture predominantly on top of non-religious POW/MIA remembrance displays (a strictly secular tradition) in the public foyer of government facilities violates the US Constitution 1st Amendment & American law prohibiting our secular government from endorsing or promoting a religion & requiring government neutrality regarding religion (neither pro-religion nor anti-religion but religion-neutral).
 
When theocratic politicians publicly disrespect our Constitution, laws & traditions by supporting government imposition of only “their” version of religion on veterans, they deserve & subject themselves to criticism by those of us who respect the Constitution, law & right of veterans to determine, enjoy & practice their beliefs without someone else’s religion forced upon them.
 
The very definition of a republic is “…a nation of laws and not of man.” – 2nd President John Adams.
 
Most Sincerely,
Brigadier General John Compere, Judge Advocate General’s Corps, US Army (Retired)
Disabled American Veteran (Vietnam Era)
Advisory Board Member, Military Religious Freedom Foundation (over 80% Christians)

Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Mike Farrell
On Sep 6, 2019, at 9:57 PM, Mike  wrote:

Hi (name withheld),

I’m sorry you find the above contretemps stupid and petty. Is that because you don’t understand the issue or because you don’t find the question of religious freedom worth the trouble necessary to protect it?

Mr. Pence, of course, is quite wrong and having one in his position so gratuitously spreading false information is, we believe, dangerously confusing to people who expect better from elected officials.

Mike Farrell

(MRFF Board of Advisors


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10 Comments

  1. OldSoldier

    Petty and ridiculous, I hate to say, are the two words that come to mind when I think of the MRFF. The veterans hospital I go to has a beautiful POW/MIA table display and there is a Bible on it as there should be. General Compare, Mister Weinstein and that actor from a ridiculous overated tv show, the Bible is not to promote any specific religion. You have used that argument ad nauseum so many times. It is to show that faith in God, no matter what type of faith, is what gets you through. I wish the MRFF would get a life and do some real work to help our veterans

  2. BRP

    Preach

  3. Tom O

    “the Bible is not to promote any specific religion.” So you would be OK with replacing the bible with a copy of the Baghavad-Gita or the Koran? “It is to show that faith in God, no matter what type of faith, is what gets you through.” It gets SOME people through, or are you saying that no atheist POW ever “got through”?

  4. Jared Atkinson

    What religions use the Bible, sir? Would you feel the same if it were a Koran bolted to the table? A Torah? I think not.

  5. OldSoldier

    Jared you sound like a real dummy. The Koran the Torah the BIBLE is the only book that belongs on that table. We are one nation under God. A Soldier swears to defend his country and his God and they go hand in hand. There are no athiests in foxholes.

  6. Grey One talks sass

    Old Soldier keeps repeating the mantra “There’s no Atheists in foxholes”. I can tell our comments here are getting to them. The anger, the insults, the repeating of falsehoods, the lack of facts.

    Yep. People like Old Soldier are losing relevance and they don’t like it.

  7. Jared Atkinson

    1. What about the Hindu’s holy book? What about Mormon holy books? How about no holy book at all, like the POW table was designed?

    2. We have only been “One Nation Under God” since 1956.

    3. “I, (state name of enlistee), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.” This says nothing about “defending” god.

    3. Pat Tillman. Just sayin’.

    3.

  8. G

    Olde soldier, many people didn’t believe in God before they went to war and still don’t believe in one after the war was over. In addition, some soldiers chuck away their religious beliefs including the one about there being a God after going through a war. Didn’t God strike them down for doing so? The answer is no.

  9. sashabirman

    My oath of enlistment. “”I, Amber L. Thompson, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed … Unless same orders contradict moral and lawful duty!”

    God is not mentioned.

  10. RC

    OldSoldier,

    First of all, I question if you are really a soldier. If you were, you would know that the oath you take has NO mention of defending a “god”.

    So I am inclined to say you are a liar, and are committing Stolen Valor.

    Second of all, contrary to the right wing brown noise you are repeating, we are NOT a “nation under god”. There is no mention of a “god” or a creator in the US Constitution. The founders were mostly deists at best, but there words throughout speeches and letters make it apparent that they did not believe religion should have ANY role in a secular civil government. The references to “god” were never originally on our money or in our Pledge, and were only added recently in the 20th century, which was blatantly unconstitutional by the way.

    Third, the idea that the bible does not promote a specific religion is one of the stupidest arguments I have ever heard, and is laughably intellectually dishonest. The bible is a christian text. It promotes christianity. It promotes the christian religion. PERIOD.

    But you go ahead with you historically inaccurate, unhinged little comments.

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