Assclown

Why don’t you shut your mouth and you and your foundation go crawl in a hole?  If you don’t like religion, don’t look, don’t listen.  Everyone has a right, including those of us who embrace religion.  You’re a cult and trying to force your views on all of us.  Pull back your complaint on the dog tags.  It’s not your place as troops voluntarily put that on their tags.  Who are you to complain?  We have the right to religion, just like you have the right to be an ass.

(name withheld)


Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Mike Farrell

On Dec 4, 2019, at 4:59 PM, Mike  wrote:

 

Dear Assclown,
If you knew what you were talking about you’d be less dangerous. As it is, people near you must worry.
We have nothing against religion, what we oppose is religious proselytizing with the use of a government artifact or a facsimile of one. That’s a violation of military regulations and the separation of church and state because it suggests a government promotion of one belief system over others.
That’s all. I hope you can understand that. We have no problem with your desire to embrace religion, just as we have no problem with someone else’s choice to believe or not believe. We just think it’s important that everyone’s right, no matter what it may be – and whether you happen to like it or not – is protected by keeping the government out of the religion department.
Now, with that understanding, maybe it’s time for you to shut your mouth or go crawl in a hole.
Mike Farrell
(MRFF Board of Advisors)

Response from MRFF Board Member John Compere
On Dec 4, 2019, at 3:33 PM, John Compere wrote:
(name withheld),
 
Military members may personally pursue any religious or non-religious belief & possess any religious scripture they desire, but one version of religion cannot be officially promoted & endorsed by our government by placing it on government property (military identification tags) at government expense because that violates The US Constitution, established American law, US Department of Defense regulatory laws & US Armed Forces regulations. Our troops do not have the right or authority to determine what is or is not on their official government issue military identification tags.
 
It is really that simple. As Founder & 2nd President John Adams wisely wrote – The very definition of a republic is a nation “of laws and not of men.” (“Thoughts on Government”, 1776).
 
Most Sincerely,
Brigadier General John Compere, US Army (Retired)
Disabled American Veteran (Vietnam Era)
Board Member, Military Religious Freedon Foundation (80% Christians)

I’m actually surprised.  Coming from a military man, You’re purpose isn’t just!  You stand to stifle someone else’s beliefs.  It’s another example of one’s opinion being more important than any other opinion.  Your name says it all.  You want religion out.  A Christian run organization being shut out, punished by an organization hell bent on forcing their beliefs on someone else.  You look like just another left-wing think-tank pushing an agenda.  I’m confused.  80% Christian members?  Somehow I don’t believe you.  That being said, I appreciate your response, whether I believe you or not.  I believe EVERYONE has the right to their opinion, their beliefs, their right to protest.  What I don’t agree with is forcing an agenda.  That’s what I think your organization is doing.  Why can’t you fight for the right to have the regs be more inclusive?  Maybe you are, I don’t know.
(name withheld)
Ret. U.S. Air Force

Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member John Compere
On Dec 5, 2019, at 7:47 AM, John Compere  wrote:
 First & foremost, thank you for your service.
 
The Military Religious Freedom Foundation (80% are Christians – a fact) is an American non-profit constitutional rights organization dedicated solely to defending the religious freedom of service members. We have represented over 66,000 military men & women (95% are Christians – a fact) who requested their right to freedom of religion, to which all Americans are entitled under the US Constitution, be respected & protected. We do so with patriotic pride & will continue to do so. For this pro bono advocacy, the Foundation has been officially nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize 7 times.
 
As a veteran, you know our troops do not have the right or authority to determine or alter what is on their official government issue military identification tags any more than they have the right or authority to determine or alter what is on their official government issue military identification cards. And, our secular government is prohibited by law from promoting & endorsing a version of religion on government issue property at taxpayer expense. Our government, which includes the military, is required by law to remain neutral regarding religion (neither pro-religion nor anti-religion, but religion-neutral). That is the law.
 
Your anger is misdirected. It would be better directed toward those who disrespect & disregard our laws rather than those of us who respect & request compliance with our laws.
 
We wish you the best for the holidays.

And, thank you as well for your service…..
(name withheld)

You make some sense. My anger really isn’t misdirected; it’s more boiling over at organizations, (you’ve made your case), controlling the narrative. Quoting you, “…who requested their right to freedom OF religion.” Are you not Freedom from Religion? You confuse me. If you represent 66,000 troops, 95% Christian, who request freedom OF religion, why do you choose freedom FROM religion? Yes, I do agree, there are channels for military to air grievances in hope of change; maybe the freedom to add religious quotes on their dog tags. But that sounds like it goes against your mission statement. Are you not the same organization that campaigned against Chaplains displaying the cross? Just curious.
(name withheld)

Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member John Compere
(name withheld), please see the attached. Hopefully, it will provide some clarification.
We must again be touched “…by the better angels of our nature.” (President Abraham Lincoln, 1861 Inaugural Address)

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1 Comment

  1. Grey One talks sass

    This exchange gave me a bit of hope. Perhaps people can see through the propaganda.

    Toasts (with root beer, my poison of choice) “Here’s to more people having their eyes opened by the foundations of logic!”

    Clink.

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