Jesus Candy

Hey Fuck Head – if you don’t like Jesus candy, then DON’T FUCKING BUY IT!  That doesn’t mean those who WANT to buy it can’t – ASSHOLE!
(name withheld)

Response from MRFF Founder and President Mikey Weinstein
You seem to be upset about something, little fella?… Your ridiculous use of profanity marks you as one of apparently low intelligence and significant ignorance probably due to poor education… You see it is fine to buy “Jesus Candy“ at a place that is not owned by the United States government… We had dozens of our clients who are US military members come to us to complain about this… As always, the majority of them are practicing Christians in the military… Perhaps try to keep an open mind and get a little more education… That is always the key… Happy new year, sport… Mikey Weinstein, founder and president, Military Religious Freedom Foundation…

Religious freedom means exactly that – the freedom to CHOOSE. Some choose to purchase Jesus candy. Some, like you, do not. That IS religious freedom right there. If you don’t like it, don’t participate. Don’t rob others of THEIR freedom by attempting to have it removed. You are the ignorant one if you think banning such an item represent “religious freedom”.
(name withheld)

Response from MRFF Founder and President Mikey Weinstein
On Jan 1, 2020, at 8:13 PM, Mikey Weinstein wrote:
Fine for a private vendor to sell this… NOT fine for a United States military base exchange to sell it… Directly violates the separation of church and state guaranteed in the first amendment and backed by massive amounts of case law…

The words “separation of church and state” appear NOWHERE in the Constitution.  There is only this “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

 
This does NOT mean a military base exchange cannot sell Jesus candy.  For cryin’ out loud – just leave this alone.  If I saw “atheist candy”, I’d just laugh and move along.  Why don’t you just do the same?!
(name withheld)

Response from MRFF Founder and President Mikey Weinstein
On Jan 1, 2020, at 8:41 PM, Mikey Weinstein  wrote:
Again, I don’t think you understand that we respond when we have active duty reservs and National Guard complainants… I told you we had several dozen here and that the majority are Christian themselves… The background of this particular base, Peterson Air Force Base, is abysmal when it comes to church state violations… Your argument that those exact words do not appear anywhere in the constitution is, frankly, totally ridiculous… You also are not guaranteed a fair trial by the constitution as it only says a public trial and a speedy trial… The fair trial came about because of something we call caselaw… They’re about 2 million other things that have turned into guaranteed civil rights that I have also been created by the interpretation of the Constitution by our courts… See Marbury versus Madison… Did you not ever take a civics course in high school?… The same thing with your “Miranda warnings“… THOSE are not guaranteed by the Constitution… They were created by a supreme court case called “Miranda“… Are you getting this my friend?

You will not win this fight. That is my prediction. “Separation of church and state” is an inadequate metaphor and a misinterpretation of the 1st Amendment. While I respect case law, it can be wrong, too – and it is.

With all the evils in the world – corruption at all levels of government, child sex trafficking, the killing of healthy babies by Planned Parenthood, the theft of our tax dollars by the likes of Biden, unjustifiable wars, corrupt banking system, and the list goes on and on, it is “Jesus candy” where you are making your stand? C’mon, man.

(name withheld)


Response from MRFF Founder and President Mikey Weinstein
On Jan 1, 2020, at 9:20 PM, Mikey Weinstein wrote:

 

……we will win and already have…..the Constitution and its well established caselaw provide our winning ethic, sport….. sadly you have TOTALLY imbibed the FAUX News Kool-Aid…..it seems you have marinated in what is likely white, straight, male, Christian privilege SO looooong that you are incapable of feeling for others who do not share your unearned privilege…you see, bro, they are not called civil PRIVILEGES…they are civil RIGHTS…you get them even if you’re an asshole…a woman’s right to choose is a guaranteed civil right…not “murder”….and the rest of your list of alternate matters we should be addressing instead of what MRFF is so effectively already DOING is completely irrelevant!!….First Amendment RIGHTS are as critical a matter as any…C’MON, jack!!!..


 

You only win because many have not had the spine to stand up the the shit that you spew. You will lose THIS fight. People (not only Christians) are tired of this shit. Stop being triggered and offended at everything in the world that doesn’t fit your world view. No one is taking away YOUR 1st amendment rights by selling Jesus candy at a military base. Again, don’t buy it. I’ll never see this your way nor will you see it mine, so I’ll end this discussion. I do respect that you responded, despite my profanity. I’m just pissed at these headlines and I’ve had enough and so have many. Past wins don’t equate to future wins – the world is changing and the likes of you are going to be put in their place.

(name withheld)


Response from MRFF Founder and President Mikey Weinstein

On Jan 1, 2020, at 9:45 PM, Mikey Weinstein wrote:

 

My friend, we are very used to threats… We have our own security and work extremely  closely with law-enforcement and our litigators… Your last email to me below would’ve been OK except for the last few words… I’m gonna ask you now to be very very very careful when you define to me what “the likes of you are going to be put in your place“ is supposed to mean?!… Think carefully before you hit “send”…very carefully plz….

Let’s be clear – I am NOT threatening you. Trump has installed 187 Federal judges – and counting. It is the courts that will put you in your place, not me. Do not twist my words. I don’t believe in violence.

(name withheld)


Response from MRFF Founder and President Mikey Weinstein

On Jan 1, 2020, at 9:54 PM, Mikey Weinstein wrote:

 

Thank you for clearing that up… We receive numerous threats of violence on a daily basis… We have had the windows shot out of our house twice… We have had innocent animals beheaded and disemboweled & left on the front of our house… We have had swastikas and crucifixes painted on the house… We have had tires slashed… We have had beer bottles and feces thrown at the house… And these are the simple things that have happened… There is much more that occur on a daily basis that are quite violent regarding their threats… As I mentioned we have excellent professional bodyguards and have tremendous support from local law-enforcement… We currently represent in excess of 66,200 active duty guard and reserve members of the US military and veterans… Approximately 95% are practicing Christians… We have over 450 paid and volunteer staff here at the foundation… Well over 80% of them are practicing Christians…


It makes to sick to hear that – and I’m being truthful when I say that. I would not wish that on ANYONE. I honestly didn’t expect a reply, so I was spewing in my opening. I am angry about these types of things, but had I been more thoughtful, I would have addressed you in a professional manner instead of profanity as I initially did. I do apologize for my opening and if you choose not to accept my apology, I totally get that. I was behaving irnorantly with my opening – you are correct. You’ve been reasonably respectful just in responding to me, so I appreciate that. Lesson learned – I will address those I disagree with much more respectfully, going forward. Anyone who would do the things you describe is certainly not following their own faith. These are SICK people and I hope they receive the justice they deserve for their acts of ignorance and violence.

But, having said this, I do believe you will not find the courts so agreeable in the future. True conservative judges are taking over – those who can interpret the US Constitution as it was intended. The days of “activist judges” are coming to a close. You may win a court battle or two, here & there, but your win streak will be coming to an end.

(name withheld)


Response from MRFF Founder and President Mikey Weinstein

Apology accepted… Thank you… We will disagree about the concept of “activist judges“… As we disagree about many other things… But I appreciate your courtesy and professionalism and offering the apology and I am happy to accept it…


Response from MRFF Board Member John Compere

On Jan 1, 2020, at 8:43 PM, John Compere  wrote:

Your lewd & limited vocabulary only reflects on yourself & reveals a malevolent moron who cannot communicate in a moral, mature or meaningful manner.
 
The US Constitution, American law & US Armed Forces regulations prohibit our military (part of the US Government) from promoting or endorsing a religion on military installations except at military chapels. It should not surprise any intelligent adult that military exchanges (part of the US Department of Defense) are required to lawfully comply. It is obvious from your ignorant invective this does not include you.
 
Brigadier General John Compere, US Army (Retired)
Disabled American Veteran (Vietnam Era)
Board Member, Military Religious Freedom Foundation (80% Christians)

Also, I don’t want to “hide” behind just an email address. My name is (name withheld) and I live in Williston, FL.

Ok, we will agree to disagree. Thank you for accepting my apology – it was such an ignorant way to start this discussion and I’m ashamed for it. I cannot agree with you, but I can say that I respect you.

(name withheld)


Yes, you are correct. It was ignorant of me. I can’t defend my remarks – it was a thoughtless message. I do not agree with the stand you are taking, but my message was 100% ignorant. I have no defense for it and I’m ashamed for my choice of words.

(name withheld)


Response from MRFF Board Member John Compere
(name withheld), thank you for the thoughtful response reflecting a moral & mature man deserving of our respect & understanding. Sincere best wishes for the New Year, John
CR, thank you for the thoughtful response reflecting a moral & mature man deserving of our respect & understanding. Sincere best wishes for the New Year, John

Response from MRFF Founder and President Mikey Weinstein
On Jan 1, 2020, at 10:50 PM, Mikey Weinstein  wrote:
Appreciate brother… It is possible that you might receive some responses from other members of our foundation… I have just advised them that you and I have had a very positive discussion… And that you apologized and I accepted it… Please read anything you might get with that in mind… We have a lot of VERY good people here…

Thank you for your service to our country!

(name withheld)


Response from MRFF Founder and President Mikey Weinstein

 

On Jan 1, 2020, at 11:03 PM, Mikey Weinstein  wrote:

 

Grateful my friend… I don’t know how much you know about me or my family?… I am an honor graduate of the United States Air Force Academy… Four of my children are also graduates of the US Air Force Academy… My son-in-law is an aircraft commander pilot in the C-17 and just made major in the Air Force… He is married to our daughter who works for the US Army Rangers… My father was a distinguished graduate from the US Naval Academy where his best friend was his classmate H Ross Perot… I was formerly Perot‘s first general counsel… I also served as a lawyer for President Ronald Reagan in the White House for over three years… I am a registered Republican… Anyway if we ever meet it would be a pleasure to buy you a beer or two… Or if you don’t drink, maybe some lemonade or ice tea perhaps? 🙂

Again, you have exposed my ignorance.  I did not know these things.  I saw your name in an article on rightscoop.com and searched for it, found it, and sent an angry email, simple as that – pathetic on my part – you have exposed me for my moronic and uninformed remarks.  I just assumed this was some leftist group outside of the military or something like that.  Honestly, I didn’t even bother to consider that I was addressing a military organization, in my initial message – total lack of an ounce of research before launching my tirade.  Truly sad on my part.

You and your family members have quite distinguished careers!  Thank you ALL for your great service.  My father was a Staff Sergeant for the 822 Air Engr Sq AAF in WWII.  Both my grandfathers served in WWI.  I have many ancestors who served in the Civil War, one of which was John Richardson, who enlisted to the 77th Pennsylvania Volunteers.  He contracted Typhoid and it nearly killed him.  He survived, but never regained his strength.  I have another ancestor, my great, great grandfather – Lewis Adelbert Blackman, who named his son Elmer Ellsworth Blackman.  It was common to name first sons after their commanding officers.  Lewis Adelbert Blackman served under Col. Elmer Ellsworth – who died capturing a Confederate flag.  I have at least four ancestors (that I know of) who served in the American Revolution.  Regrettably, I did not serve.  If I had it to do over again, I would have.  It is one of my life’s regrets.  My father died when I was 8 years old and other family members just never encouraged a military career.  I have great respect for the military and if I had realized I was addressing military personnel, I never would have sent my message – at least not in the manner in which I did.
You are a better man than I am.  I really appreciate your candor and putting me in MY place.
(name withheld)

Response from MRFF Founder and President Mikey Weinstein
(name withheld), this has been one of the most gratifying email exchanges I’ve had in quite a while… Your famili impeccable and enviable and most impressive service to our country is deeply appreciated… As is your own open mindedness and ability to see things from the perspective of others without necessarily agreeing … Be well my brother… Mikey…

Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Mike Farrell
Well, thank you. May I say that’s a very impressive response. You’ve just made my day.
It takes a lot of integrity to do what you’ve done. I admire it. More, I admire you for having handled it in such a straightforward way. I wish you well.
Happy New Year!
Mike Farrell
(MRFF Board of Advisors)

John,

Thank you for your service to our country!  I was a fool.  I’m forwarding the exchange that Mickey graciously had with me despite me being underserving of his responses – (name withheld) …

Response from MRFF Board Member John Compere
On Jan 2, 2020, at 6:27 AM, John Compere  wrote:
EmojiEmoji

Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Mike Farrell
On Jan 1, 2020, at 10:49 PM, Mike  wrote:
Hey foul mouth,
We don’t care if people want to buy Jesus candy. We just don’t want the government to be involved with selling it. You can open up a stand on the corner and hawk it ’til your head explodes for all we care, we just don’t want the U.S. Government promoting one religion over all the others. That may be a hard on for you to understand, but there’s this thing called the Constitution… Nah, that’s too much to expect you to comprehend.
By the way, with a mouth like that you don’t spend a lot of time in church, huh?
Mike Farrell
(MRFF Board of Advisors)

Mickey, should we ever meet, it is I who will buy the beer.  Thanks again for being gracious in entertaining this exchange where I wasn’t really deserving of it.  The nasty replies are coming – well, I deserve it.  You be well, too!
(name withheld)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 Comment

  1. Grey One talks sass

    This exchange is (IMHO) a work of art. The letter writer, Mikey, and the rest of the crew communicate in a real here/now way. No they don’t agree with each other’s position but that’s not the point. The respect, the honor….

    Hells bells – the ability to admit one is incorrect and make amends is so rare and off the charts I had to comment.

    Well done letter writer. I mean I totally disagree with your position but again that is not the point. Here in the USA we do not have to all agree, and to be honest it would be freaky scary if we did. I watched that kind of movie and did not like it.

    Thank you all for your amazing effort at communicating. (Applause is appropriate here)

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