Please stop

You may not believe in God, but people do. Now you are attacking a chaplain that is giving a series on “Leading Like Jesus” which is a VOLUNTARY event. If people want to attend they can, it is not interfering with anything.

Maybe you should study Jesus and realize that he loved people. All you do is hate.

If you don’t like religion, just don’t go to it. Spending your entire day trying to stop others…WTF is wrong with you?


Response from MRFF Board Member John Compere:

For your information, the US Constitution, American law & US Armed Forces regulations prohibit our military, part of the US government, from promoting or endorsing a religion except in military chapels or chapel channels. Military chaplains may not proselytize their version of religion as official government religion in official government channels.

Your presumptuous & pious protest is morally misdirected & would be more rationally redirected at those who disrespect & disregard laws & regulations rather than at those of us who respect & request compliance with them.

Brigadier General John Compere, Judge Advocate General’s Corps, US Army (Retired)
Disabled American Veteran (Vietnam Era)
Board Member, Military Religious Freedom Foundation (80% Christians)


Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Marty France:

Dear (name withheld),

As an Advisory Board Member of the MRFF, I occasionally answer emails for Mikey Weinstein and the organization.  As a veteran of over 37 years of active duty service, I’d like address a few of your questions and, hopefully, clarify a few things.  Let me hit each point…

You may not believe in God, but people do.

Chip, that’s fine if you do–an overwhelming number of our clients do, too!  We’re there to serve them!

Now you are attacking a chaplain that is giving a series on “Leading Like Jesus” which is a VOLUNTARY event. If people want to attend they can, it is not interfering with anything.

True, but here’s the problem, Chip–it was sent base-wide to EVERY commander.  That gives the impression that it’s mandated by THE commander on base and expected part of everyone’s duty.  If, then, it is sent by one or more of these commanders to their subordinates, then that subordinate can presume that his or her chain of command ALL feel like this is an important and maybe mandatory event and their attendance/participation (or not) might be judged by their supervisors.  That would be bad.  If you’ve served in the military you’d understand that, in many cases, a “hint” or “suggestion” from a superior is usually viewed as more than just a suggestion–and is routinely taken as a order.  All of this violates the Constitutional prohibition against establishing a state-endorsed religion and/or emplacing a religious test for members of the military.

Maybe you should study Jesus and realize that he loved people. All you do is hate.

Disagree with the second part there, (name withheld).  I don’t hate people, neither does Mikey.  I’ve read the whole Bible, cover-to-cover, and while I don’t doubt that Jesus preached love for all, there’s more than a little hate, murder (Heck, Deuteronomy is almost Genocide User’s Guide!).

If you don’t like religion, just don’t go to it. Spending your entire day trying to stop others…WTF is wrong with you?

Nothing.  As an example, (name withheld), here’s what should have happened:  1.  One or more christian chaplains come up with the idea to discuss Jesus and leadership principles at their facilities (perfectly within their rights and duties); 2.  They develop the program and want to make it known to all those that might be interested without implying that only christians can be leaders or that base leadership endorses the program or thinks it should be mandatory; 3. They send one-page flyers or emails out to all of the other unit chaplains on base and ask them to individually send it to each chaplain’s mailing list of those with whom they regularly communicate or minister to; 4. Copies of the flyer are posted at base chapels; 5. They suggest that a link and quick title to the event (but not full banner) be put at the bottom of the NAVSTA’s (base’s) typical monthly email blast outlining base programs and activities (e.g., bike rides, child care center activities, base chapel service times by faith, singles bowling night, theater showings, etc) without the hint that the commander prefers this activity over any other.

Had the chaplain who sent this out base-wide done the above, we wouldn’t be exchanging e-mails because we’d all agree that this was done appropriately.

Please let me know if you have any other questions.  Thanks again for contacting us.

Sincerely,

Marty France
Brigadier General, USAF (Retired)
MRFF Advisory Board


Response from MRFF Founder and President Mikey Weinstein

…well hi there, (name withheld)!…hey, maybe you ARE the boss, but does your company know you’re using work e-mail send this crap to us??……again, you don’t have the facts right at ALL….before you start throwing stones, try to do a little homework first, sport……chaplains CAN send this out via e-mail or any other way as long as it ONLY goes to those folks who regularly attend their services…they may NOT blast it out willy nilly EVERYWHERE to literally All COMMANDERS on a military installation, jack, as they did here!!!!…..in THIS matter, MRFF has 41 clients at NAVSTA Newport…and 32 of them ARE Christians!!…just not like you ,apparently…they understand how wrong this was the way it was done….Mikey W./MRFF


 

On Monday, February 3, 2020, 1:49:25 PM CST, (name withheld) wrote:

I know the constitution. I was in the military. We prayed as a unit. No one was offended. People that didn’t believe didn’t join in. Funny how now everyone is uptight about it.

Enjoy pissing people off. You should be worried about much greater offenses going on rather than someone talking about Jesus.
Have a great day John.
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Response from MRFF’s Board Member John Compere

On Feb 3, 2020, at 1:14 PM, John Compere  wrote:

Even Jesus separated religion and government (see Matthew 22:21; Mark 12:17).

Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Mike Farrell
On Feb 3, 2020, at 5:15 PM, Mike  wrote:

 

Hi (name withheld),
 
I’m afraid you’ve gotten your knickers in a knot because you lack understanding of the facts and worse, you’ve decided to make assumptions and lay on judgments without basis. It’s really embarrassing.
 
What gives you the right to assume we don’t believe in God? That’s a pretty silly thought when you’re dealing with an organization based on the protection of the right of all the women and men in the military to believe as they choose. It’s even sillier when the staff, supporters and clients of the MRFF are 95% Christian.
 
And I love your all-caps VOLUNTARY! Isn’t it great to be able to rub it in when you think you have the upper hand? Don’t you just love it? And that’s what makes it so damned embarrassing when you realize how foolish you’re being.
 
When I was in the Marines I got a quick understanding of what VOLUNTARY means when someone senior to you speaks. Maybe you, trapped in the stencil department, haven’t had that experience.
 
As far as studying Jesus is concerned, instead of promoting that idea to people whose everyday work is protecting the rights of others, maybe you should think about doing a little studying of his teachings yourself.
 
“All you do is hate,” you say. We “don’t like religion,” you assert.
 
You have made yourself look like a fool, (name withheld).
 
Mike Farrell
(MRFF Board of Advisors)

Your gaslighting of me doesn’t work. You supplies two verses that actually talk about taxes. I haven’t embarrassed myself. But you can go online and read all the negative comments about your organization. I quit replying because of the way you try and insult me and twist my words.

Good luck in your endeavors. Just know that many people think that what you’re doing is wrong. Pushing religion away from people is the reason this country has so many basic moral problems. So instead of trying to help people, you push religion away from people. If that’s what you think is right, so be it.

Have a great life.

(name withheld)


Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Mike Farrell

On Feb 4, 2020, at 9:27 AM, Mike  wrote:

Hi (name withheld),
When I stop getting messages from you that are incorrect, as they continue to be, I’ll be happy  to
stop responding.
So far your bias and your ignorance about us and the work we do keep coming, so I feel responses are
called for.
Mike Farrell
(MRFF Board of Advisors)

 

 

 

 

 

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2 Comments

  1. Kent marc

    This is where Trump has taken our country.
    Hi, I guess you’d like to bring back the KKK.
    I guess also you find Jews an easy target and backed by the Alt-right

  2. Tom O

    Those who try to use government power to push religion onto people are the only ones who claim that MRFF tries to “push religion away from people.”

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