Your argument about satan worshippers will then be able to use Army or Marine emblems on satanic worship symbols doesn’t hold water. The men and women who started this dream of a republic of the people by and for the people was based upon christian values and faith. Yourself and George Soros hates this country so much that you both are willing to burn it down. George Washington was a soldier of faith not to mention Sam Adams Paul Revere and Thomas Jefferson founded this country on judeo christian values. Not any satanics fought against Great Britain for independence, if they were they are not prevolant enough to have been mentioned with our fore fathers. I know a lot of people are giving you hate money for your misguided crusade, and its not worth it. God didn’t do to you whatever has you angry with Him. Man did. He still is chasing after you and wants to show you the way. Christians have a right to freedom of speexh and expression. Repent! (which means 180° turn) from your ways. He is waiting for you with open arms. Use your resources to help children who are starving in war torn countries. Do good! Just bc you are and atheist doesnt mean its your job to attack religion. I enjoy lifting weights and staying fit. But I dont contantly go after people who are morbidly obese. Stop and breathe
Thanks for the response, (name withheld). My responses to yours are inserted into your paragraph below. Ciao, MartyFirst of all these people are not being forced to wear these symbols. And yes 20 fire service and 13 in the military. (In what role in the military? I’m curious. And again, thanks for serving in two such critical roles for 33 years)The whole family served brother 20 and son 4. We can brag about service all day but thats not what we do. Its all boastful. I dont care about you or your service. Thanks. Much appreciatedMy only concern is my country which I love. Same here. You can care about America and not be a Christian. In protecting my country, I’d also like to help protect the rights of ALL Americans.Government not so much. I have no problem with you putting a star of David on your store bought dogtag. I am Jewish and as well. (And what? I don’t understand your last sentence here)We are all sons of Abraham. I don’t think so. Is everyone of Asian Chinese descent a son of Abraham? Every African? Any daughters of Abraham or others? I have zero confidence that I’m any descendant of someone from that part of the world and probably not of some mythical Bronze Age legend who almost murdered his son because he was hearing voices. I’m not a creationist. I’m not a believer in a literal interpretation of any religious text either. But, you’re free to do so, and as long as that belief does not threaten my rights, I’ll defend your right to do so.I would be proud if a muslim wanted to associate a symbol of his religion on a marine dog tag.That’s not the point. The point is using the Marine Corps’ TRADEMARKED and legally protected symbol from being used in a religious context or in any way they think is not Constitutional and appropriate.Our religion is stamped on our actual dog tags anyway last time I checked. True, but those are the gov’t issued ones, not privately made ones for sale that conflate the service’s trademarked symbol with a religious verse that are then sold for profit. THAT is the legal issue.Everyone is so offended and sensitive nowadays. Boo hoo hoo! Fight for anti semitism im in. Racism im in. Taking away someone’s medal of comfort when there butt is being shelled and your buddy just got blown apart, thats petty. If they wanna wear it ,let them.Again, no one is claiming that we should take away someone’s special medal of comfort. We’re just saying that the Marines have a LEGAL RIGHT to disallow some companies from using their symbol when they make a product for sale and profit. Get your own Bible verse medal of comfort and keep it in your pocket. I completely support your right to do this and the MRFF will defend your right to do this. BUT, you can’t buy a product with the Marine Corps (or Army or USN or USAF or USSF) symbol without the permission of that service.All the pricey and lofty vocabulary words in the world or all the lawyering that exists does not ease their stress on the battlefield and cant help our service members survive.But it does protect the rights of those in the minority that may not believe as you do.But a little latitude when it comes to our troops wearing something they hold dear to their hearts.Again, see my comment above. You can carry all of the religious medals that your commander and back allow, but the Marines can still control who uses their symbol and for what.Insult me all you want. And Jefferson didn’t worship the devil. I didn’t say that, did I? Please show me where I did. I said he was a Deist, not an avowed Christian.This country was built on [many] christian values. The bible tells you everything you need to know about everything. No, it doesn’t. It’s math is terrible. It can’t calculate the circumference of a circle correctly. It doesn’t recognize that the Earth orbits the Sun. It doesn’t tell me how to unravel DNA or cure cancer or ignorance. Money time love loyalty stewardship etc. But not so much physics, math, biology, chemistry, etc, etc.And its very apparent in our early historical documents. Huh? Is Jesus mentioned in our Constitution? Abraham? God?Adios Rambo
Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Mike FarrellOn Feb 21, 2020, at 12:33 AM, Mike wrote:
Hey (name withheld),You know, this is so pathetic. What got your trousers in such an uproar? Was it that poor old man?Nobody here is attacking religion, (name withheld). Nobody here is trying to take away anything from you or
your friends’ right to believe as you choose. We’re just intent on making sure everyone has the same rightand the U.S. Government isn’t tainted by association with one religious belief when Americans havemany different beliefs.It’s a shame you didn’t understand Mikey’s point, but I find that some really zealous believers have a hardtime understanding anything that isn’t spelled out for them by members of the Club.I suggest you take your own advice – take a deep breath and relax. There are lots of things to getexcited about if you choose. So choose something else.Mike Farrell(MRFF Board of Advisors)
Already read it. Cover to cover. KJV. Didn’t find it to be anything more than misogynistic semi-historical fiction and fantasy. A flood that covered the whole Earth and only one guy had a boat? Seriously? No one else had a BOAT? Stoning adulterers? Genocide? Not for me. I did decide to skip the Koran, though. Some cool poetry in Psalms, though, and great rock lyrics in Ecclesiastes. Reading the Bible convinced me that I’m an Atheist–that and too many years of being forced to go to church (Lutheran).
On Feb 21, 2020, at 9:08 AM, Martin France wrote:
I really have no clue what you’re talking about. I strongly suggest availing yourself of the VA’s counseling services. Best of luck, M
It amazes me to read the hate spewing from a person who holds themselves in the highest regard as the final word in morality. **
Where is the humility? Where is the compassion? Where is their empathy?
The vile words of C4Z and their brethren lead me to believe they are not as familiar with their Lord and Savior as they claim.
**with their ego they are indeed a legend in their own mind.