Thank Your For MRFF’s Intervention To Reform The Navy Chaplain Corps’ Approach to Same-Sex Military Couples

From: Active Duty U.S. Sailor’s E-Mail Address Withheld
Subject: Thank Your For MRFF’s Intervention To Reform The Navy Chaplain Corps’ Approach to Same-Sex Military Couples
Date: March 25, 2020 at 10:41:24 AM MDT
To: Michael L Weinstein


Greetings Mikey,

I am an active duty Sailor from Naval Air Station Jacksonville in Jacksonville, FL who recently contacted your office and requested advocacy for an injustice that was suffered by legally married, same-sex military couples, by the hand of the US Navy Chaplain Corps in their Chaplain’s Religious Enrichment Development Operation (CREDO) program. I was concerned that registration forms for CREDO Marriage Enrichment Retreats contained a legal disclaimer that stated the Chaplain’s belief that marriage is between a man and a woman, therefore same-sex couples should not attend the retreat out of respect for the Chaplain’s religious and moral beliefs. 
I am a straight, devout Christian from a denomination that is under-represented in the Chaplain Corps, and I also have my own moral beliefs.  However, I took a public oath to defend the Constitution of The United States and found it sickening that people who took the same oath and specifically serve in the military to defend our First Amendment guarantee of “Free Exercise Religion,” violate that right every day. They violate their oath by proselytizing their own Fundamental Christian teachings and deny services that service members and their spouses are entitled to because they have unlawfully judged same-sex couples to be unworthy in direct violation of Equal Opportunity Laws. 
As a (military rank level withheld), I do not have many resources available to me to address my concerns.  I have tried the recommended way of expressing my concerns through my chain of command, but since I was not the one the offense actually happened to, my concerns fell on deaf ears. I learned that there are others too who have been raising this concern for years, with no action taken.  Therefore, I sought outside help, but I was scared of the revenge, reprisal, and repercussions that would come my way if my identity was revealed. As a result, I was referred to you and the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF).
From the moment you were notified of my inquiry, you reached out to me and I was confident I found a person and an organization that was ready to help and will have this manner resolved once and for all.  Most importantly, I felt safe and confident I can do my part to aid this effort without being exposed.  As a result, I was inspired to research the policies relevant to this issue and was even more concerned when I discovered how these chaplains and their policies were going unchecked for so long.  
You took my concerns to the highest authorities, and after just a day we were informed by Commander, Naval Installations Command that this injustice is being addressed, and the discriminatory statement on CREDO registration forms is removed effective immediately. 
I am convinced if I did not seek your help and went through the normal channels, it would take months, if not years for the right people to recognize the discrimination still experienced by same-sex couples in the military. I am truly grateful for your diligent efforts to address this matter and your swift action that resulted in immediate reform. 
I want to say that every service member regardless of faith should recognize they have dedicated advocates in MRFF. Your organization is truly dedicated to the men and women who wear the uniform.  The men and women who serve today have many different religious and moral beliefs, which is not different from the generations that served before us.  However, the difference is we tolerate all others as well, and believe every man and woman who desires to serve their country should be able to do so without facing discrimination because of race, color, creed, sexual orientation, or gender identity.  Our generation is not yet in the ranks to inspire the social reform that is necessary in the military.  However, we have a trusted ally in MRFF, and if more of us seek your help we can make it happen faster than we ever imagined. 
I want to close by letting you know, it may not seem like a big deal to some people to remove a statement from a registration form.  However, for us, it is an essential victory because I believe it signifies the beginning of an end of an era.  There are some Chaplains that serve that need to realize their time to pervert the First Amendment is over.  Soon, they will not be able to claim “Free Practice of Religion” to protect their proselytizing, or discrimination.  A generation of Sailors, Marines, Airmen, Soldiers, and Coast Guardsmen are rising that will not be forced to submit to extreme Christian fundamental beliefs. We thank them for their service, but it is time they seriously discern returning to civilian ministry. Clergy who believe they can falsely claim “free practice of religion” to publically preach hate have no place in any Chaplain Corps caring for a pluralistic Armed Forces of the United States.  
A Grateful Christian Sailor (name, rank, position title, assigned military organization all withheld)


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  1. SARSU

    Sodomites and transgenders should not be in our military period. Chaplains should have the right to determine who can attend relationship seminars based upon what their endorsing agencies require

  2. Grey One talks sass

    SARSU, spreading your stupidity again I see.

    You do know you condemned not just homosexuals with your ‘sodomite’ label but also many heterosexual couples as well. Words have meaning. Perhaps you can try using a dictionary before you use them again.

    As for defining who can or can not be in the military – a Warrior is a Warrior, no matter their gender or sexuality. If a Chaplain can’t minister to everyone who serves they need to find another career outside of the military. This is not rocket science.

  3. SARSU

    Are you as stupid as you sound or just play an idiot on TV. The biblical definition for Sodomite is a homosexual. Regarding chaplains, you are wrong as normal.

  4. Grey One talks sass

    I suppose I do sound stupid to a person like you SARSU.

    (STAGE WHISPER) I will type slower so you understand the words I’m using!

    When looking up definitions I prefer a book which is updated as new information comes to light instead of a book which, historically speaking, was updated whenever the Priest Class decided to consolidate their power.

    You telling me I’m wrong regarding chaplains let me know I’m correct. Thanks for the verification.

  5. SARSU

    I go by God’s definition of sodomy not man’s in regarding Him wiping out Sodom and Gomorrah. Sodomite comes from Sodom where male homosexuality was taking place and why they were all wiped out.

  6. Grey One talks sass

    Huh SARSU, I thought the city of Sodom was destroyed because the citizens were prideful, well fed folks who would not share with their poor and needy (sound familiar?).

    In my research I found the word abomination as to why destruction was necessary but not the word homosexuality. That specific word was attached to Sodom to mean anal sex by the priest class whom I’ve spoken of before. As far as anyone really knows the word abomination referred the citizens who embraced Greed, one of the Deadliest of the Seven Deadly Sins which predate the time of Jesus. Or they ate shrimp or bacon. Or they divorced and committed adultery – a crime held most heinous by Jesus himself. The point is, you weren’t there so you don’t know.

    For a factual bent I looked up why the two cities (Sodom and Gomorrah) really perished and found volcanoes. Apparently it’s risky business to build ones home on a volcanic hot spot even if the unending hot water is ‘to die for’ (badumpbish! Tip your waiters folks, I’m here all week)

    Oh, and SARSU, before you tell me homosexuality is unnatural please explain why same sex pairings exist throughout the ‘natural’ world? This is a documented fact, verified by scientists all over the world.

    If I have to choose whom to believe, I choose independently verified double blind testing by scientists over a Christian Nationalist like you SARSU. It’s not even a hard choice.

  7. SARSU

    Grey One,
    Let this article enlighten you as to the truth. Something you do not want to hear.
    What Was the Sin of Sodom and Gomorrah?

    God would not destroy two cities because they were inhospitable, otherwise He would have to do that to every city on the planet.

  8. G

    SARSU, God should wipe out the human race again because they have failed God time and time again. Then again, God should have not created the human race in the first place.

    In addition, you can’t make the determination who can or can not be in the military. If that was allowed to happen, the USA wouldn’t have won World War II because of women and minorities not being allowed in the military. Furthermore, people like you shouldn’t complain about people not joining the military since you didn’t want them to join in the first place.

  9. SARSU

    Do you volunteer to be the first person for God to wipe out? He does know the hour, day and time of when He will end your life, but He is longsuffering hoping that all may come to faith in Christ.

  10. G

    SARSU, where did I volunteer? I didn’t volunteer to come down to this planet. As a matter of fact, none of us did. So what

    Did all those babies who die at birth, or who had died seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks and months later, volunteer to have their lives wiped out by God? God must be a very mean fellow taking life at such an early age or when they are born. They also didn’t have no chance to come to faith in Christ.

    God is long-suffering? Oh please, If he didn’t want to be long-suffering, he shouldn’t have created the human race in the first place. He wasn’t long suffering when you look at the crimes he has committed:

    He wasn’t long suffering when he send bears in to attack children:

  11. A sailor

    I, too, have felt discriminated by a chaplain attending the CREDO MER. My wife and I (same sex marriage) have been talked to by the chaplain who was in charge of our retreat. He said some people among us was uncomfortable whenever we did PDA. Just who exactly was it? Because from the start, we felt a weird vibe from that specific chaplain. Isn’t that the point of MER, to realize how much you love your spouse and to grow more in love with one another? I remember after our experience that they have changed the policy thereafter to having 5 males and 5 females enroll. This was back in 2016-2017 Sasebo, Japan. I don’t know if they changed it again. If anything, I feel as though there should be a representative that is open to all cultures and beliefs doing these retreats as it is advertised for all MARRIED couples. Not heterosexual couples only. Thankfully, in the retreat we were in, this other participant couple (a chaplain too at that) was very welcoming and talked to us and even joked around with us throughout the retreat and made us feel welcomed.

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