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I wonder how sick you must be to remove any reference to God from military Chaplains!
As in most things, you must be either stupid or rude (or maybe both).  Yet, this example is beyond the pale.
This intellectual deficit is so sub-human that even the lesser apes would laugh out loud.
Please, try to learn not to be such a moron.  It will serve you well.  Or, get a new job with the zoo, where you can learn much from the primates.
(name withheld)

Response from MRFF Board Member John Compere

On May 5, 2020, at 3:04 PM, John Compere  wrote:

It is apparent from your asinine & acrimonious attack you have been malevolently misled. No one has removed “any reference to God from military chaplains”.
 
For your information, the US Constitution, American law & US Armed Forces regulations prohibit our secular military, as part of our secular government, from promoting a religion except in military chapels & military chaplain channels (e.g. chaplain Facebook pages). Military chaplains may not proselytize their religion version on official military channels (e.g. commander Facebook pages) which are secular by law & regulation. Military chaplains & commanders are advised & aware of this legal restriction. That is why the unlawful practice was stopped by the military itself after complaints from military members, including Christians. It should surprise no one that chaplains & commanders have to obey the laws & regulations like all military personnel.
 
The very definition of a republic is “…a nation of laws and not of man.” – Founder, 2nd President & Commander-in-Chief John Adams (“Thoughts on Government”, 1776).
Brigadier General John Compere, US Army (Retired)
Disabled American Veteran (Vietnam Era)
Board Member, Military Religious Freedom Foundation (composed of over 80% Christians)

Thank you for your response.
(name withheld)

Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Martin France
On May 5, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Martin France  wrote:
(name withheld), I’m an advisory board member for the MRFF and sometimes answer emails for Mikey.  Let’s cut to the chase.  You haven’t read the story about removing the chaplains’ videos and other info completely.  The MRFF has said repeatedly that we have zero issue with the chaplains posting whatever they want ON THEIR WEBSITE reserved for chaplains’ outreach, services, etc.  They cannot, however, put their stuff of the US Government Official website for the organization they support.  I conclude from your email that subtlety and vocabulary are not your strong suits, so let me try to explain it to you again.
Almost every military organization has an official website.  From that website, you can find all of the subordinate (lower-level) organizations that make up that organization.  The chaplains have their own website that anyone who is interested in the chaplains activities can check on.  They probably even have a Facebook page that you can like (or ignore).  The overall organization’s banner, lead stories, and news must comply with US Government regulations because that is the “front porch” of that organization.  They can no more use that main site to suggest you go to synagogue or a mosque to pray than they can tell you for whom you should vote or when some political rally will be held outside the gate.  That’s because US Government organizations are restrained by the Establishment Clause (it’s in an old document called the Constitution) that says that the US government cannot establish a state religion.  Numerous court cases have interpreted that to mean that they not only can’t push one religion over another, but they cannot push religion or irreligion.  So, we handle that by giving the chaplains their own page and their own buildings.  You can visit a base organization for official business without having to walk through a chapel to get there.  Military members of the organization should be able to get news or visit official offices without passing through a gauntlet of religious posters and paraphernalia or recorded messages and videos.  Likewise, you shouldn’t have to navigate past or be subjected to a sectarian exhortation to prayer for just visiting the official site.
I know that’s a lot of words for you for one day, but try to read it to the end.
Cheers,
M France
Brigadier General, USAF (Retired)
MRFF Advisory Board Member

Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Mike Farrell

On May 5, 2020, at 7:08 PM, Mike  wrote:

Hi (name withheld),
In fact, there is a lot of stupidity and rudeness going around and your message is an example of both. It’s both stupid and rude to make false charges against someone you don’t know without being sure of your facts. It’s also stupid and rude to toss around insults based on lies told you by someone you either haven’t checked out or have been gulled by.
No one here removed “any reference to God from military Chaplains (sic)”. You might serve yourself better by checking out what was actually said and done. But of course, since you appear to consider yourself a superior being, and one arrogant enough to determine another persons intellectual capacity out of the very thin air up there in Indiana, what you’ve succeeded in doing is making those lesser apes howl at your smug self-satisfaction.
If you ever work up the courage to apologize, we’ll be happy to explain what actually transpired. But of course, crow isn’t all that tasty.
Mike Farrell
(MRFF Board of Advisors)

As per the suggestion, I do apologize.
(name withheld)

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2 Comments

  1. Jeff

    I think we can all see who has an intellectual deficit – and it isn’t anyone affiliated with the MRFF.

  2. Ironmoped

    Well, at least this Christian believes in evolution with the reference to the “lesser apes!” That’s a step in the right direction! But I certainly didn’t know the MRFF had removed references to God from the military Chaplaincy. Didn’t know the MRFF was even associated with the chaplaincy! I think you mean, the military Chaplaincy, by way of its Chain of Command, has told Christian Chaplains (it’s always the Christians!), that you can’t fucking force military members to listen to your religious Christian fundamentalist made up bullshit! Military members may elect a particular religion to be a part of or they may choose to believe a certain way, but you can’t fucking force your bullshit on someone else!

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