Wow I’m proud of this organization, stopping military personnel from hearIng the teachings of Christ. They are taught to kill the enemies of our constitution not love them or turn the other cheek . Kill kill kill, that’s their job. We don’t need any confusion on their part saying to love their enemies.

(name withheld)

Response from MRFF Board Member John Compere

On May 7, 2020, at 10:41 AM, John Compere  wrote:


Your sarcastic statements show you have been malevolently misled. No one is stopping military personnel who choose to hear the teachings of Christ from doing so.
For your information, the US Constitution, American law & US Armed Forces regulations prohibit our secular military, as part of our secular government, from promoting or endorsing a religion, except in military chapels & military chaplain channels (e.g. chaplain Facebook pages). Military chaplains may not proselytize their religion version on official military channels (e.g. commander Facebook pages) which are strictly secular by law & regulation. Chaplains & commanders are advised & aware of this legal restriction. That is why the unlawful practice was stopped by the military itself after complaints from military members, including Christians. Chaplains & commanders have to obey the laws & regulations just like all military personnel.
The very definition of a republic is “…a nation of laws and not of man.” – Founder & 2nd President & Commander-in-Chief John Adams (“Thoughts on Government”, 1776).
Brigadier General John Compere, US Army (Retired)
Disabled American Veteran (Vietnam Era)
Board Member, Military Religious Freedom Foundation (composed of over 80% Christians)

Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Mike Farrell

On May 7, 2020, at 12:19 PM, Mike  wrote:

Hi (name withheld)
Does one have to study idiocy to conjure up something like this or does it come
naturally in your case?
Mike Farrell
(MRFF Board of Advisors)

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  1. Ironmoped

    Let`s turn this around a bit in a “what if” experiment.
    What if, in your military housing community in Stuttgart, on every Friday afternoon, people gathered in front of your neighbors balcony, having first listened to the “call to prayer, ” in Arabic, and participated in the worship of the one true God, Allah, and listened to teachings about the one true prophet, Mohammed? And the Garrison Commander, nor the military police would do anything about it! I imagine that most of the “Christian” attendees currently gathering in Stuttgart might be kind of pissed off about it! Because they don’t believe in Islam because they weren’t born in a predominantly Muslim country! It’s by sheer happenstance that most are of any religion and it’s solely dependent on where you were born (for the most part, some people do convert to other religions, you know, the real ones, the one they’re converting to!).
    A military housing complex is no place for ANY church services of any kind! That’s why tax payers provide buildings for the military members to attend for their spiritual needs. You know, they’re called fucking churches!

  2. Grey One talks sass

    See Ironmoped, I was thinking Satanists but Muslims work too.

    You know if the faith being shoved into non participating faces was anything but Christianity there would have been such a stink! And rightly so. That said, the only faith I’ve run into here in the USA which is shoved where it doesn’t belong is Evangelical Christianity. Every time.

    It’s as if they feel rules don’t apply to themselves. Well, that’s my impression based on letters from the peanut gallery and the almost constant stream of offenses by evangelicals in the military. No other flavor of faith comes close (not something to be proud of Christianists).

  3. Infidel

    Well Ironmoped, oh foolish one, they cannot meet in the chapel right now due to social distancing.

  4. A.L. Hern

    “Wow I’m proud of this organization, stopping military personnel from
    hearIng the teachings of Christ.”

    No one’s stopping anyone from hearing anything. Are prayers bellowed into a courtyard somehow more sincere expressions of devotion than those whispered? Do they rocket into god’s ear more swiftly and surely?

    How conveniently you forget JESUS’S OWN WORDS in Matthew 6:5-6:

    “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen.”

    Each and EVERY complainant in the matter of Lt Col McGraw is a Christian. It is not unreasonable to believe that many, if not most, of them take those same Sunday mornings to pray in a manner closer to Jesus’s own teaching as quoted above. As such, NONE of their prayers intrude on the lives of others living around that courtyard, including the McGraw family and those who had been participating in his services (and they ARE services, not merely prayer), but it’s clear that McGraw’s preaching HAS been intruding on theirs, perhaps to the point that it interferes with their own CHRISTIAN religious devotions that they have taken pains to keep from intruding on others’.

    The institutions of government, including the military, were established by the Framers of the Constitution to advance and regulate temporal, secular goals. The Armed Forces exist to defend our shores and way of life, not Lt Col McGraw’s religion, those complainants’ religion, my religion or ANYONE’S religion. By not permitting anyone to hijack those institutions for personal religious, or secular — i.e. political — purposes, EVERYONE’S religion is protected; if only one religion is allowed to hijack them, NO ONE’S religion is protected.

    THAT is the Separation Between Church and State, WHY we have it and why we MUST have it.

  5. Ironmoped

    I think you meant to say Mosque didn’t you? You know, you can’t get to the Mosque right now because of social distancing to hear the words of the one true Prophet, Mohammed, peace be upon him. Allah u Akbar!
    I think every balcony in every military housing complex should be available as a musalla for Islamic sermons, particularly given current social distancing. Don’t you?

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