I find your organization to be just another worthless cause

I find your organization to be just another worthless cause.  Our country was founded on Godly principals and morals.
 
We are granted the right to worship how we choose.  Our chaplin’s have the right to post and send out via email Christian literature and make statements regarding Christianity.
 
Stop wasting tax payer dollars with frivolous lawsuits against Christians.  
 
Just curious if you ever served in the military? If not, maybe you should.  You would then appreciate how much courage and compassion it takes to be a chaplain.
(name withheld)

Response from MRFF Board Member John Compere
On May 7, 2020, at 3:14 PM, John Compere  wrote:
 
Your presumptuous protest against a fellow American & military veteran you do not even know is morally misdirected.
 
Here are some facts about the US Constitution, American law & US Armed Forces regulations you need to know. Our secular military, as part of our secular government, is prohibited from promoting or endorsing a religion except in military chapels & military chaplain channels (e.g. chaplain Facebook pages). Military chaplains may not proselytize their version of religion through official military channels (e.g. commander Facebook pages) which are religion neutral & strictly secular by law & regulation. Chaplains are advised & aware of this legal restriction. That is why the unlawful practice was stopped by the military itself after complaints from military personnel, including Christians. Chaplains have to obey the laws & regulations just like all military personnel.
 
Brigadier General John Compere, US Army (Retired)
Disabled American Veteran (Vietnam Era)
Board Member, Military Religious Freedom Foundation (composed of over 80% Christians)

Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Martin France
On May 7, 2020, at 2:43 PM, Martin France  wrote:

 

Dear (name withheld)
I occasionally answer emails for Mikey as a member of the advisory board.  Let me address a couple of your points.
1.  Worthless?  Hardly.  Unless you consider defending the rights of active duty and veteran service members worthless.
2.  Yes, we’re granted the right to worship as we choose.  We’re also granted the right to NOT worship if we so choose.  Moreover, in the military, we’re guaranteed the right to serve without regard to how or if we choose to serve and there are myriad regulations, instructions, and court decisions that say that we can also serve without having to be subjected to religious tests, interference or proselytizing. 
3.  It’s spelled “chaplain.”
4.  The chaplains can post (generally) whatever they want on THEIR website.  They cannot, however, post whatever they want on the government official website of a military organization.  That’s why the posts have been taken down.  What they did–really, where they put their posts–was acknowledged as wrong by military leadership.
5.  This complaint didn’t require a lawsuit.  99% of what we do doesn’t require a lawsuit.  It just requires a call to a responsible adult who observes the rules, regulations, and laws supported by the Constitution.  Really.  Almost ALL of our work goes unnoticed because most of the time the offending party just didn’t realize what they were doing was wrong until we pointed it our with the help of our clients.
6.  Yes, Mikey served in the military, as did virtually all of his family, up and down the tree.  He went to the US Air Force Academy (a small trade school in Colorado with modest standards and some reputation) How about you?  For my part, I only wore the uniform for a mere FORTY-ONE YEARS, so I’m probably too inexperienced in these matters to understand complex thinking such as yours.
Thanks for writing, though!
M France, PhD
Brigadier General, USAF (Retired)
MRFF Advisory Board Member

Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Mike Farrell
On May 7, 2020, at 4:06 PM, Mike  wrote:


Hi (name withheld),
 
Yes indeed, thanks for asking. Just about all of us have been in in the military. Have you?
 
If you had been you’d understand why so many of the women and men in the military, including a number of chaplains, by the way, not only write and thank us for protecting their freedom of religious choice but actively work in support of our organization.
 
We couldn’t agree with you more when you say, “We are granted the right to worship how we choose.” (except we’d probably make it “as” we choose.) And we agree with your next sentence, too, unless you’re talking about Oona or Charlie.
 
We’re not “wasting taxpayer dollars” because we pay our own way and the government is usually on our side, unless, that is, they temporarily knuckle under to some fundamentalist zealot who resents our calling out his attempt to inappropriately proselytize.
 
I suspect you’ve gotten some bad information. Hope this helps.
 
Anything else I can do for you?
 
Best,
 
Mike Farrell
(MRFF Board of Advisors)

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6 Comments

  1. Gary Weygant

    Mickey,

    Jesus Christ died even for you.

    A fellow veteran.

  2. Grey One talks sass

    Gary Weygant,

    Ya know Jesus wasn’t and still is not a Christian. Your sly dig was old when the Rockies were just a hill.

    Take your Christianist self and learn to share.

  3. G

    Gary Weygant, well people have continued to sin so Jesus’ death was all for nothing.

  4. Ironmoped

    The writer says our country was founded on Godly principles and morals. Don’t you just long for them “good ole days,” when the influences of the various sects of the Christian Taliban controlled the narrative? Let’s see, you had the Anglicans in Jamestown, the radical puritans up north in Plymouth, at least the Quakers were, generally speaking, pacifists. But after a hundred years of seeing where that Christian bullshit might lead, you’ll notice that freedom of (and from) religion was specifically spelled out in the first amendment to the Constitution! If those Godly principles and morals were that damn good, they would have been included! As it turns out, they were specifically excluded!
    You know, Godly principles like: “Hey Abraham, bring Isaac up the mountain and kill him. I love the smell of burning flesh!” Or, “Hey Noah, build a big ass boat, I’m gonna kill everything on the planet!” Or stoning to death of unruly children or the beating of your slaves,….. It goes on and on. He was clearly a mean, insecure fucker that really got off on pain and suffering, especially if you pissed him off! You’d go to Hell If you pissed him off! You know, fire and brimstone and eternal torture and misery and pain and sufferring. But He loves you! So spare us your God’s schizophrenic principles! You should never do unto others as you would have them do unto you. They may not like it!

  5. Denis

    I used to be harassed by lord praisers on my way to and from the missile shop I worked at. They enjoyed telling me I’m going to hell and yelling at me. My position as a white noncom was assailed because I am a student of all faiths, and accept that a persons faith or lack thereof does not preclude their position relative to the rest of humanity. Most of these fundamentalists turn into nasty jerks if they can’t convince one to join their little corner of groupthink.

  6. Ironmoped

    You know, the mystery in the “mystery of faith,” is how they`ve convinced so many people to believe in delusional thinking. And how many people make a good living convincing other people to believe in this made up bullshit! A C Grayling makes it quite humorous. Every time you see the word God, just substitute the word “Fred,” in its place! “Who are you praying to?” “Oh, I’m praying to Fred.” “Why do you pray to Fred?” “Oh, because he’s the all powerful creator of the universe!”
    There’s more empirical evidence for Santa Clause and the Tooth fairy than their is God. I believe in defending everyone’s right to whatever magical thinking they can conjure up in their heads but just because you believe it doesn’t make it true and you don’t get to push it on anyone else! Chaplains get away with a lot of bullshit, particularly with the younger, more vulnerable troops. And the Chaplains who are Christian Evangelicals, Dominionists, Fundamentalist ….you guessed it, they think they have an implicit right to push their bullshit on others!

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