Walla Walla tattoo issue

Sir,

I am a US Army veteran as well as a former employee of the DoD.  I sincerely doubt you will read any further than this, however I am going to put my thoughts out there anyway.  You sued and denounced the US military for “
proselytizing” against you for being Jewish and how it’s your first amendment right to be, I am amazed at your single sightedness as to how it applies.  So I lay here thinking about it, you have gone after war dead”Nazi Crosses removed from graves of Nazi POW’s” gone after Christians that say Jews are going to hell for killing Christ (I disagree) but you don’t believe that a tattoo is a person’s right?  So this officer in his youth with an advanced ground combat unit foolishly chose the Nazi SS design for sniper scout you feel it’s your right to force him to change it, how does that work?  I have a dragon on my shoulder to represent the US Tank corps but hard line radical Christian will tell you that the Dragon is an image of Satan should they have the right to force me to change or alter it?  I don’t understand why you feel the Constitution protects your right to be Jewish but no one else’s right because it offends you.  If you have read this far perhaps you can enlighten me how you have come to this conclusion.
(name withheld)

Response from MRFF Board Member John Compere

On Jul 10, 2020, at 10:41 AM, John Compere  wrote:

First, please accept sincere appreciation for your past military service.
 
The Nazi “Schutzstaffel” or “SS” double lightening bolt was the official military insignia of the most violent terrorist agency of psychopath Hitler & his evil Third Reich. These Nazi “SS” henchmen enforced heinous Aryan white supremacy, ran the horrendous human extermination camps & committed gruesome genocide of at least 6 million innocent children, women & men solely because they were born of Jewish mothers (like Jesus). Today, it is one of the rallying signs for neo-Nazis whose stated purpose is to kill all American Jews. It remains abhorrent, anti-Semitic, anti-American & symbolic of horrible hatred & hideous holocaust.
 
These are a few of the reasons why the US Marine Corps publicly denounced & permanently banned it. It has no place in an American police force whose purpose is public protection not promoting Nazi supremacy & provoking fear. No rational & patriotic American (especially veterans) should be surprised this sordid Nazi symbol offended & frightened families (including veterans & Christians) residing in Walla Walla, Washington. That is the reason they complained, protested & sought the support of the non-profit civil rights organization that successfully got it denounced & banned by the Marines previously.
 
Brigadier General John Compere, US Army (Retired)
Disabled American Veteran (Vietnam Era)
Board Member, Military Religion Freedom Foundation (composed of over 80% Christians)

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23 Comments

  1. David De La Rosa

    I have my respect for the Israeli people because they have endured a lot. I can not believe you guys are going after a marine for the tattoo that he has. This marine got the tattoo while on his youth with pride. I’m a latino and our people also got lynched, hung, killed and dragged around. As a veteran marine we are proud of our tattoos, when we get one we get cause of pride not because of racism.

  2. Andy Ooley

    You people who cry with Freedom in you name and them blatantly advocate to deny someone their freedom are the biggest bigots in the world. It’s amazing you can’t even tell how asinine you sound. Do I like the tattoo, no. Would I get one like that, no. I don’t like tattoos at all. But I would stand up for everyone’s right to make a dumb decision, even you.

  3. Allan Baumann

    Gen. Compere cannot even right something original every time he comments, he just knows how to use copy and paste really well. Just shows how incompetent generals in our military are these days, especially in the Army, save for Gen. Michael Flynn.

  4. Robert A White SFC US Army retired

    While I understand the significance of the SS insignia from WWII I also understand the significance of the US constitution . A living document that EVERYONE who has ever served in our military swore an oath to uphold and defend. That being said it is his right to have anything he wants tattooed on his body regardless of how anyone feels about the symbolism. What’s next? Are we gonna sue Chevrolet for all of their models that displayed SS ? I will tell you where it should stop. All this negativity is divisive. An individual’s rights to self expression are absolute. If one of my tattoos offends someone they don’t have to look. Did anyone try to start a meaningful conversation with the officer in WA ? Did anyone state their concerns or questions or did some pompous self-righteous individual decide what it meant and started an uproar over nothing. I think everyone should apologize to this officer and thank him for his service to this country as well as his service to his community.

  5. Jim White

    Give the man the benefit of the doubt look at the next post, WOW

  6. G

    Mr. De La Rosa, you wouldn’t have liked it if your fellow Latinos had been systemically exterminated by the SS or if it had been done by the KKK?. I suppose you tolerated right-wing militia people throwing all sorts of insults regarding your ethnic background? There are better ways of showing your pride and wearing a symbol of evil is not one of them.

    Mr. Ooley, if the Marine Corp and the police department plus the young officer tolerated wearing any kind of SS symbol, then it really shows how much military, political, and social history those organization and that officer have or rather the lack of knowledge they have considering the plethora of World War books, magazines, films, and articles for the last 75 years.

    Mr. White, it is the Marine Corp, the Walla Walla Police Department and the police officer who needs to apologizes to their community and their nation for allowing this symbol to exists in their organization. No military person nor police officer should be receiving thanks for service to their nation and community for betraying the trust of the nation by wearing an odious symbol.

  7. Jim White

    General,
    I did not really want this public but since it is I will continue as my question was not answered. What case law or Constitutional amendment gives any one the right to decide that tattoo was meant to reflect a belief in the Nazi party? Did this officer disarm the public or round up Jews, the Polish blacks and Hispanics? You admitted that your organization pressured the USMC to denounce and ban the symbol but they had previously used it, given the times referenced in the media is it not possible that this man was either not informed of the decision by the USMC and or had already gotten the tat and was unable to change a permanent marking like that? Continued

  8. G

    Mr. White, there is a whole plethora of World War II magazines, articles, books, TV shows, movies about the SS so there is no excuse about the Marine Corp and the police officer not knowing about the SS since the World War II ended 75 years ago.

  9. Jim White

    Now given what it is the SS symbol personally I would have been mad at having it as a unit symbol I would have been questioning my superiors personally I feel that these young men either showed incredibly poor judgement or their history teachers should have been fired and investigated for neglect. However thinking back to your ROTC days how many times did you show poor judgement. How many times did you see a soldier as a prosecutor with the 101st that displayed poor judgement. Sir I will not question your Patriotism as a few of your references appear to reflect on me, I continued to research this story so I would like to know, do you intend to follow through with the threats of further legal action Continue

  10. Jim White

    G,
    I’m not saying he did not have a knowledge of the Crimes of history however can you provide me with a statement or witness account that this man chose a tat design reflecting belief in the third Reich? Even the media is reporting that all references and statements refer to the poor choice of the USMC allowing this symbol of hate to be a moral or unit reference.

  11. Jim White

    General continued,
    According to the media reports I have read you plan to continue legal action if the new design isn’t approved by your organization. Again I would like to know where that fits into either the Constitution or American law. If so where does this slope end? If I feel a coworker who has permanent makeup tattoos makes him or her look like a clown can I petition to have it changed to something I approve of? I will not say that the original mission here is not of merit, I won’t say that your defense of the murderous traitor Hassan was wrong I will say with my limited knowledge of this case it sure seems to me that this is a blue falcon move to drive home a point at the expense of someone who made a foolish mistake.

  12. Jim White

    Mr.G
    I will ask you a question here and please don’t take me wrong. Do you fly the American flag? Do you respect the US military? I ask this because no one not a cook not a clerk not a General who is a lawyer comes out of the military clean. Here is a great joke for you. My active duty days was spent in the First Cav. The punch line is the US Cavalry force marched my ancestors to Oklahoma down a path known as the trail of tears. Carrying the American flag and their Cavalry pendents. My point is I am Creek and I served proudly not because of the mistakes of the past but because of the promise of a better future. This young man made a mistake as did others in his unit see the pictures of all the men with the SS banner. If you Google the image USMC SS Banner you will notice that not all those are your examples of the Nazi ideal. I’m saying from what I have read he seems to be a decent man that made a mistake.

  13. G

    Doesn’t matter whether the guy believes in the Third Reich or not. There is no excuse for what he did. Furthermore, there is no excuse for the Marine Corp considering the fact that are supposedly highly educated people; however, I guess that they are entitled to make an honest mistake like allowing Oliver North to become an officer. They should have court-martial North for what he had done in the Iran Contra affair.

    “Do you fly the American flag? Do you respect the US military?”

    Is this a litmus test because I am certainly not impressed by these irrelevant questions.

    Again, there is no excuse for what the guy did. He had plenty of material from World War II and the Great Depression to know all about the SS. The same thing goes for those men with the SS banner. In American society, we seem to espouse the tall, blue eye, WASP whether they are men and/or women.

    If that police officer had a Communist hammer and sickle taboo, and those Marines had flown a Communist hammer and sickle flag, the conservative right-wing would have gone berserk and would be demanding the death sentence for those groups. No excuse for what they did considering how information about the SS is so accessible these days.

    Yeah, and the SS men were decent guys; however, it didn’t stop them from being cold-blooded killers when told to do so just like our own American males were ordered to do so did in Vietnam and Iraq.

  14. G

    “Now given what it is the SS symbol personally I would have been mad at having it as a unit symbol I would have been questioning my superiors personally I feel that these young men either showed incredibly poor judgement or their history teachers should have been fired and investigated for neglect.”

    Question your superiors? Yeah sure. Young people by and large are always told that they are not to question their parents and their superiors. It is considered a sign of disrespect when they do so which is a bunch of garbage.

    History teachers being fired? Yeah sure. Do you think that teachers have any say about what is going to be inputted into the history books? You have conservative wing individuals and organizations trying to whitewash American political, social, and economic history books and trying to impose their own idealogy on the school system from elementary school to college which includes hiring only teachers who will teach their idealogy. Thom Hartmann of the Thom Hartmann show talk about how his son was being fed phony, baloney information about the American Civil War with regards that the reason for that war was not about slavery but about states’ rights and Northern aggression.

  15. Jim White

    G,
    Wow you completely missed the point. So I will spell it out. My point with the Flag and the American military is under Democrat president Martin Van Buren the American Government force marched native American tribes out of their ancestral land in the south eastern States to “approved” Indian territories west of the Mississippi River. The path taken during this forced relocation became known as “The Trail of Tears” This forced relocation was carried out by the US Cavalry under orders from President Van Buren. Many of the tribes were placed in interment camps were many died of disease “introduced through contaminated supplies” and malnutrition. The total death toll number vary from source to source. No one’s hands are clean. Hell even mine I served with the US Calvary even knowing the history. Now ask me if I would follow orders to round up people based on color, Creed, religious beliefs, or even communists. Of course not! This Marine who from what reports I have read during this did his best to conceal the tat during his duty hours has publicly stated he got the tat as a memorial to a fallen brother of that unit. Not as a symbol of devotion to the Nazis. So do I as a Native American have the right to sue people that have tats or displays from the US Cavalry I am Creek one of the tribes from the trail of tears, I am as the General so put it a Veteran and Resident, there has to be an end. I was not around in the 1830’s for what happened but Really does that end need to be the crucification of a Marine and Police officer not to mention the whole idea of ANY ONE saying if a tattoo doesn’t meet my approval I will seek further legal action!

  16. Jim White

    G.
    And now after rereading things again not sure how Oliver North or the ideas of the American Civil war are relevant but I am not going to question that. I would like to discuss this however, and if General Compere would care to interject he would be a better resource than I.
    “Question your superiors? Yeah sure. Young people by and large are always told that they are not to question their parents and their superiors. It is considered a sign of disrespect when they do so which is a bunch of garbage.”
    The UCMJ Uniform Code of Military Justice spells out clearly lawful and unlawful orders and a soldiers responsibilities and duties. That being said most of the time of my service when issues arose I took them be it something of mine or one of my soldiers to my officers. I remember not one incident of an officer or senior enlisted refusing to listen to a concern of mine or my men. (Tank units 94-98 had no women in them) I will not say it doesn’t happen, I will say that there is a right and wrong way to question things.
    Next thing I would like to say is in regards to this.
    “Yeah, and the SS men were decent guys; however, it didn’t stop them from being cold-blooded killers when told to do so just like our own American males were ordered to do so did in Vietnam and Iraq.”
    G. The SS were not decent men by all accounts I have read the actual Nazi SS were by today’s standards criminally insane. As far as American men (and women) being cold-blooded killers on a battle field I’m going out on a limb and say you have never served in a combat zone either with the military or any number of the other organizations that do have you? Don’t believe everything you see in the media. Military members of the United States and our allies for the most part are not cold blooded killers. I have been there. Yes war is hell and many people die sometimes even innocent people. However I can’t think of any story from history of armed conflict where another country sends supplies that could end up in the hands of the enemy to the civilian population. I know for a fact that aid was delivered in AF and Iraq in food medical care and when necessary protection you should also be aware that today ( I don’t know about Vietnam) purposefully shooting non-combatants is murder and punishable under the UCMJ as a murder. Last I heard they sent you to the military prison of Fort Leavenworth KS for a life sentence at hard labor for it.

  17. Jim White

    And I guess I am going to say this and if I hear back or not cool. I don’t agree with the SS tat. But a free American has a right to have what ever stupid thing they want it’s called freedom of speech. As long as I have to watch people burn and disrespect my flag call me a Baby killer, and a racist but that is called protected speech even though it offends me then an SS tattoo, Dixie flag hell even the Nazi Swastika are the same thing. It’s freedom of speech not freedom from offensive speech.

  18. G

    American military people were cold-blooded killers during the Vietnam War with their insatiable drive for a high body count and were never held accountable for what they have done and that is a fact so don’t you believe that it can’t happen in the American military. Nick Turse prove that when he discover documents about massacres being committed by the American military and wrote about them in his book Kill Anything that moves.

    ” I’m going out on a limb and say you have never served in a combat zone either with the military or any number of the other organizations that do have you?”

    The question is irrelevant.

    So what if you have been there? I am not impressed considering how we lied twice into going into Iraq.

  19. G

    “The UCMJ Uniform Code of Military Justice spells out clearly lawful and unlawful orders and a soldiers responsibilities and duties.”

    Yeah sure; otherwise, the American military wouldn’t have hidden all those war crime documents that were later discovered by Nick Turse 40 years later so it is safe to say that our military were criminally insane.

    “Now ask me if I would follow orders to round up people based on color, Creed, religious beliefs, or even communists. Of course not! This Marine who from what reports I have read during this did his best to conceal the tat during his duty hours has publicly stated he got the tat as a memorial to a fallen brother of that unit. Not as a symbol of devotion to the Nazis.”

    We rounded up the Japanese Americans during the Second World War and not one American military protested it and resign his commission over it. Good luck with being court-martial if you refuse considering how the military justice system is rigged against people who have a clean conscience about doing the right thing.

    If the police office concealed his tat, then he knew what the symbol represented and should have found a better way to give homage to his fallen brother. Again no excuses with the plethora of material about the SS since the war ended 75 years ago.

  20. G

    “Military members of the United States and our allies for the most part are not cold blooded killers.”As far as American men (and women) being cold-blooded killers on a battle field I’m going out on a limb and say you have never served in a combat zone either with the military or any number of the other organizations that do have you have”

    The question is irrelevant.

    “I have been there.” So what? Many Vietnam War veterans have stated that as well and Nick Turse proves that the American military was a cold blooded organization when he discover those war crime documents 40 years later; otherwise, why did the Pentagon tried to hide all those documents. It would have been better to destroy those documents so they wouldn’t have seen the light of day. Don’t believe what the military media tells you.

  21. G

    “But a free American has a right to have what ever stupid thing they want it’s called freedom of speech.

    Wrong, the Supreme Court made a mistake in saying that money is free speech which allowed corporations to spend an unlimited amount of money to put their candidates into office at the expense of the rest of American society. Money is not free speech.

  22. G

    Well, Jim White, De La Rosa, Ooley, Robert A White, and Baumann, you guys lost again as usual.

  23. G

    White, I know all about the Trail of Tears; however, those events are not taught in American schools since the conservatives are always trying to sanitize American history

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