A question for the founders and supporters of MRFF

I am a Christian, having put my trust in the redeeming work of Jesus Christ on the cross of Calvary 56 years ago, as an agnostic PhD research engineer at a state university, where I was on the faculty.  I have no idea why I had such rebellion and animosity for the Son of God who gave His life for my sins.  I was 30 years old at the time and I finally realized God was right and I was wrong

I could go on for hours telling you that the joy and peace I found through being born again of the Spirit of God and walking with Him for the past 56 years   Someone gave me some literature about your organization and the things that you  say, especially your founders one Mikey Wweistein, about Christian military men and women and their one for the Savior of the world.  I was astounded at the vitriolic hate and anger showed toward Christianity and especially toward Christian military personnel.  I concluded that you must hate the memory of our first president, George Washington, who was a devout Christian and who basically endorsed and founded the Christian chaplaincy in the United States Military.  I tremble at the destiny of people who demonstrate such hate for other humans who are devout Christians.  Mikey Weinstein sounds like one of the religious zealots who yelled in the violent crowd demanding the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, whom Pontius Pilate wanted to set free for he found “no wrong in Him at all!”  I can imagine Mikey Weinstein in the crowd that stone the faithful witness, Stephen, to death because he shared with his murderers that God lloved them and wanted to save them from judgment for their sins!

This nation was founded by Christians who were led by the Providence of God to create the greatest nation in history.  Our founding document “The Declaration of Independence” was signed by 55 great men.  55 of these signatures were those of “born again” and evangelical Christians who knew our country would not succeed without God’s guidance.

I have but one thing to say at this moment as I have examined what I know of your organizations efforts.  IN God’s word the Bible, King David records in Psalm 14:1 “The fool has said in his heart there is no God.”  This seems to me an excellent description of your organization and what it is about.  The fruit of your labors thus far seem only to be trying to stir up hate and violence against those in the military who have the love, faithfulness, and courage to try and lead their fellow soldiers into the knowledge of their Savior who died for their sins and wants them to find their way to eternal life through His death on the cross ti save them from the sad alternative.

Thank you for letting me share my thoughts with you and I pass on to you the words of my Savior, Jesus Christ, that He spoke to a religious person in Jerusalem 2,000 years ago,  “Truly, truly I say unto you , you must be born again.”

(name withheld)

Response from MRFF Board Member John Compere
Thank you for sharing your private religious beliefs. As the American philosopher Ralph Waldo Emerson opined “God enters by private door into every individual”.
 
For your information, the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (including our Founder & President Mikey Weinstein) believes in, supports & protects the right of military men & women to determine, enjoy & practice their own religious beliefs as guaranteed by our United States Constitution. We oppose the unconstitutional imposition of religious beliefs on military members without their invitation or consent. We recognize that freedom of belief is one of our most cherished constitutional liberties and are proudly & patriotically dedicated to protecting it for the military.
 
Attached for your information is my published article “Freedom of Belief – Our Cherished American Liberty”.
 
Most Sincerely,
 
Brigadier General John Compere, US Army (Retired)
Disabled American Veteran (Vietnam Era)
Board Member, Military Religious Freedom Foundation (composed of over 80% Christians)
 

Response from MRFF Supporter Fr. Steve Dundas
Dear Mr. (name withheld),
 
I am a now retired Army and Navy officer with almost 40 years combined service. 28 years were spent as a Christian Chaplain. I am responding to your terribly misinformed letter to Mr. Weinstein. First of all I am not going to mock your faith, your conversion experience or what you claim that Christ has done in your life, not at all, because I to am a Christian.
 
Robert Henlein, the author of Starship Troopers wrote: “Almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate it’s creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so.” Truer words were never spoken, but I digress…
 
I don’t know what literature that you ran across but Mr. Weinstein is not anti-Christian. In fact over 96% of the people he represents in the military are Christians. In 2018 I was one of them when serving as the Command Chaplain at one of the Navy’s largest chapels and religious programs. At that time I had a retired Navy officer at the chapel attempt to have me tried by Court Martial because he disagreed with a sermon solidly founded in Scripture and the teaching of the Christian Church because it disagreed with his politics. Mr. Weinstein provided me counsel and the charges were dismissed during the preliminary investigation. However, as a Christian Chaplain who fought for that man and congregation when the Navy was looking at closing or reducing services at stateside Chapels and forcing retirees like him out of them, to be set upon by him was devastating. I have served in combat and bear the physical, mental and spiritual scars. When I was called to the investigating officer’s office I was read my rights like a common criminal, all for preaching Christ and his love for all people. Though vindicated, what happened to me at the hands of a fellow Christian made me distrustful of many Christians. Since then I have never been able to enter a pulpit to preach except at official ceremonies or memorial services. If you ever had your livelihood or freedom threatened by anyone for simply doing your job and seeking scientific answers maybe you would understand. If you ever received the specific death threats that Mr. Weinstein receives daily and I receive on a regular basis from people who call themselves “Christians” you might understand. 
 
Mr. Weinstein and his organization is not anti-Christian at all. He is fully committed to the religious liberties espoused by our founders, who by the way were mostly not men who would be considered conservative, evangelical, or Biblical Christians. George Washington was a nominal Anglican who was more of a Deist. Many quotes ascribed to his Christian faith are fake or part of a mythical narrative that no reputable historian, including Christian historians like Dr. James McGrath of Messiah University support. Washington spoke at the Touro Synagogue in Newport Rhode Island:
 
“ The Citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy: a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people, that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights. For happily the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens, in giving it on all occasions their effectual support.”
 
Likewise, Thomas Jefferson who drafted the Virginia Statute of Religious Liberty, and James Madison who wrote the Bill of Rights and drafted the First Amendment to the Constitution were also nominal Anglicans who harbored many doubts. Jefferson went so far to publish a New Testament in which he removed all references to miracles. I could go on, and I will, later in my response. 
 
You are a scientist by training. I am a trained historian, theologian, and medical and military ethicist. As a Chaplain in the Army and the Navy I received much education and training on religious liberty and its role in the Constitution and especially in the military. As a Chaplain I have championed the Constitutional rights of every soldier, sailor, marine and airman who I served regardless of whether I agreed with them or not. If I could not perform the actions they needed I found a Chaplain, lay leader, or civilian clergy who could. Mr. Weinstein fully supports the rights of service members. What he opposes are illegal and unconstitutional attempts by military members or special interest groups to impose their faith on other military personnel, such as when commanders use undo influence to force their subordinates to listen to or attend events which are designed to promote a specific religion, the failure to do so could be used to punish their subordinate’s careers. In fact when I was a young Army Officer I had a senior officer do just that to me and I was a Christian at the time even before I went to seminary to become a Chaplain. I saw it many other times in both the Army and the Navy. Sadly, most of the culprits were Evangelical Christians who believed that the offices they occupied entitled them to force their faith on subordinates. Occasionally there were others from non-Christian religions, and even Atheists who used their command positions to, attempt to convert, harm or belittle the beliefs of others. Mr. Weinstein has represented Christians whose faith was being publicly mocked and disrespected  by their commander.
 
I don’t know what literature you read but there are a host of allegedly Christian foundations and legal organizations who defame Mr. Weinstein, presenting him as evil and anti-Christian in order to fill their financial coffers. Not knowing what literature you read or what organization it was from I would bet donuts to dollars that in it there was an appeal for money in order to help them fight Mr. Weinstein. They use such disingenuous propaganda to promote fear and get fearful people to donate money to them.
 
If Mr. Weinstein is guilty of anything it is being faithful to the Constitution that so many Christians trample today. The numbers don’t lie. Ninety-six percent of his clients are Christians. That is something that his critics never admit. I would dare say that a Religious Liberty organization founded by a Jewish American that represents such a disproportionate number of Christians can hardly be called anti-Christian. Nor should anyone attack him in the manner you did. I will be gracious here because I am sure that you have only heard one side of the story, but like the late Paul Harvey, I am giving you “the rest of the story.” I honestly believe that if you knew anything about what I said that you would not have written Mr. Weinstein in the manner that you did.
 
I am going to finish with a few quotes by great Americans going back to our founders to help you understand what we were founded upon, that we were not founded as a “Christian Nation” though we have traditionally been a majority Christian country. Our founders recognized the danger of a State Religion and men who would use their political or government positions to enforce their religious beliefs on all citizens.
 
Roger Williams, the Puritan and later Baptist pastor who was hounded out of the Massachusetts Bay Colony and founded the Providence Colony, now Rhode Island wrote:
 
God requireth not a uniformity of religion to be enacted and enforced in any civil state; which enforced uniformity (sooner or later) is the greatest occasion of civil war, ravishing of conscience, persecution of ChristJesus in his servants, and of the hypocrisy and destruction of millions of souls.” 
 
Williams’ ideas were revolutionary as in the Massachusetts Bay Colony the State also enforced infractions against the Puritan beliefs which the colony was founded, even those of other Christians who were persecuted and many times killed for their faith. Williams of civil authorities:
 
“All civil states with their officers of justice in their respective constitutions and administrations are proved essentially civil, and therefore not judges, governors, or defenders of the spiritual or Christian state and worship.” 
 
Later, John Leland, the great Virginia Baptist leader fought to defend the religious rights of minority religions and non-believers against other Virginians and Americans who sought to establish certain Christian denominations as the State Church in Virginia, the other newly free colonies, and at the federal level. Leland was a friend of Thomas Jefferson who agreed with Leland that religious minorities should not be subject to a government that enforced a State Religion. Before the Revolution the official religion of Virginia was the Church of England. After the Revolution the members of that Church, now called Anglicans or Episcopalians attempted to have their denomination established as the official religion of Virginia. They not only attempted to legislate such action but actively attacked the church meetings of other denominations, especially the Baptists. The would break into Baptist church services and drag their pastors and members to nearby streams, rivers, or lakes and “re-baptize” them, occasionally to the point of drowning them.
 
As the leader of Virginia Baptists Leland protested to his friends Jefferson and Madison. Jefferson was responsible for the passage of the Virginia Statute on Religious Freedom, and Madison the religious clause of the First Amendment. Leland wrote:
 

“A national church takes in the whole nation, and no more; whereas, the Gospel Church, takes in no nation, but those who fear God, and work righteousness in every nation. The notion of a Christian commonwealth, should be exploded forever.”

Leland also wrote:

 
“Government should protect every man in thinking and speaking freely, and see that one does not abuse another. The liberty that I contend for, is more than toleration. The very idea of toleration is despicable; it supposes that some have a pre-eminence above the rest, to grant indulgence; whereas all should be equally free, Jews, Turks, Pagans and Christians.” 
 
as well as:
 
“Government has no more to do with the religions opinions of men, than it has with the principles of mathematics. Let every man speak freely without fear, maintain the principles that he believes, worship according to his own faith, either one God, three Gods, no God, or twenty Gods; and let government protect him in so doing, i.e., see that he meets with no personal abuse, or loss of property, from his religious opinions.” And “The fondness of magistrates to foster Christianity, has done it more harm than all the persecutions ever did. Persecution, like a lion, tears the saints to death, but leaves Christianity pure: state establishment of religion, like a bear, hugs the saints, but corrupts Christianity, and reduces it to a level with state policy.”
 
This is important. In the first treaty made by the United States with a foreign nation, Tripoli in 1796 and dictated by John Adams which stated:
 
Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen (Muslims); and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan (Mohammedan) nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries
 
Likewise, George Truett, the great Southern Baptist Pastor of First Baptist Church, Dallas, and President of Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary noted:
 
“Constantine, the Emperor, saw something in the religion of Christ’s people which awakened his interest, and now we see him uniting religion to the state and marching up the marble steps of the Emperor’s palace, with the church robed in purple. Thus and there was begun the most handful misalliance that ever fettered and cursed a suffering world… When… Constantine crowned the Union of church and state, the church was stamped with the spirit of the Caesars.” 
 
Truett also wrote:
 
“Our contention is not for mere toleration, but for absolute Liberty. There is a wide difference between toleration and liberty. Toleration implies that someone falsely claims the right to tolerate. Toleration is a concession, while liberty is a right. Toleration is a matter of expediency, while liberty is a matter of principle.” 
 
Williams, Leland, Adams and Truett, like others understood that people have a fundamental right to their beliefs and that the Government of the United States was not one and the same as any branch of the Christian faith or any other religion.
 
But I cannot stop there. Associate Justice of the Supreme Court, Robert Jackson wrote:
 
“[I]n our country are evangelists and zealots of many different political, economic and religious persuasions whose fanatical conviction is that all thought is divinely classified into two kinds — that which is their own and that which is false and dangerous.” — Justice Robert H Jackson, American Communications Assn. v. Douds, 339 US 382, 438; 70 SCt. 674, 704 (1950)
 
Conservative Icon Barry Goldwater told John Dean:
 
“Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they’re sure trying to do so, it’s going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can’t and won’t compromise. I know, I’ve tried to deal with them.” November, 1994, in John Dean, Conservatives Without Conscience.
 
As far back as 1981 Goldwater thundered on the Senate Floor: “The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent.”
 
That is still the case in 2021, but now the religious factions that Goldwater warned us of now own the Republican Party. The late Republican Senator Mark Hatfield of Oregon:
 
“As a Christian, there is no other part of the New Right ideology that concerns me more than its self-serving misuse of religious faith. What is at stake here is the very integrity of biblical truth. The New Right, in many cases, is doing nothing less than placing a heretical claim on Christian faith that distorts, confuses, and destroys the opportunity for a biblical understanding of Jesus Christ and of his gospel for millions of people.”  quoted in the pamphlet “Christian Reconstruction: God’s Glorious Millennium?” by Paul Thibodeau
 
These are the ideas that Mikey Weinstein, a Jewish American, an honor graduate of the Air Force Academy and Air Force Judge Advocate General Officer, whose father was a graduate of the Academy and career Air Force Officer seeks to defend. He sir, is a guardian of your religious liberty despite the fact that unlike Mr. Weinstein or me you have never donned the uniform to serve our country.
 
 Yes you are a PhD., with a real earned degree, but shortly after you converted to Christianity you left your job at your alma mater to become a Professor of Chemistry at a well known Fundamentalist Christian University in San Diego. I certainly don’t condemn you for that because it is your life and choice. But as a scientist I beg you to consider all the evidence before you attack and condemn Mikey Weinstein based on prejudicial propaganda screeds written by men and organizations who seek to profit based on the fears of good people like you, whose souls they seek to poison.
 
I am now an Old Catholic Priest but, I received my theological education at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary. I know the court decisions regarding religious and personal liberty in the military. I know the restrictions on using official Department of Defense and Military Department logos for profit or on displays on public property that promote the primacy of the Christian religion in supposed attempts to honor all veterans, like what occurred in Monument, Colorado. I happen to be a historian who is a historical theologian, well versed in Constitutional Law, science and ethics.
 
If you are the scientist you were trained to be then you know that your Christian faith does not automatically dismiss critics, and does not believe polemical screeds without considering evidence to the contrary.
 
Sir. I am a Christian. I respect your beliefs so long as they are based on Scripture, Christian tradition, and Reason. But you owe Mr. Weinstein an apology. I ask that you contact him. He is not the Devil that you have been led to believe that he is.your email wreaked of anti-Semitism. In your email, you compare Mr. Weinstein who defends more Christians than any other faith, with those who either betrayed Jesus or called out for his crucifixion. That sir, is un-Christian, unscientific, and irrational.
 
I welcome you to continue not correspond with me, but I tell you the truth as one Christian to another. You have been deceived about Mr. Weinstein and in fact about the understanding of our founders regarding the Christian faith and our American system of government and the principles of the Declaration of Independence and Constitution.
 
I mean no offense but you received your PhD. before I entered kindergarten and from my research about you I see no additional education since then, which was just a year before you converted to Evangelical Christianity and took up a position at Tim LaHaye’s college in San Diego. You left that position after a dozen years and left academia in any setting.
 
I don’t know what happened to you in those years until today and I will not speculate because that would be completely unfair and in doing so I would be guilty of transference. You deserve better than that. Please contact Mr. Weinstein or me at. Your convenience. Mr. Weinstein is not your enemy or the enemy of Christians. I am your Christian brother. With all respect I ask you to contact us.
 
Sincerely,
 
Fr. Steve Dundas+
 
Commander, Chaplain Corps, U.S. Navy, Retired, Fleet Marine Force Officer, Assistant Professor Joint Forces Staff College, National Defense University. D.Min., M.DIV., MA. Graduate of Marine Command and Staff College, Joint Combined Warfighting School, and Homeland a defense Planners Course. 

Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Mike Farrell
Hi Mr. (name withheld),
 
Thanks for your testimony. We are all pleased to know that you have found joy and peace in your life through being born again and walking with God for all these years. That’s nice to hear. I’m only sorry to hear that “someone” gave you some literature about our organization that has so misled you.
 
What you’ve been told about us is quite wrong. We are, in fact, an organization dedicated to the protection of the right of religious or non-religious belief of the women and men in the military. The Military Religious Freedom Foundation was founded by Mikey Weinstein, a man of Jewish heritage, and enjoys the support of a group of staff, friends, clients and supporters of all faiths and belief systems, above 95% of whom are themselves Christians. So, you see, whoever gave you that perfidious information was not a trustworthy person.
 
As a result of their having so cruelly implanted these beliefs about our organization and its work in your mind you have come to some terribly incorrect conclusions about us and the work we do to protect the right of those in the military to believe as they choose.
 
I hope you’ll look a little further and come to realize that we are not the haters and revilers that your source of information would have you believe.
 
As you signed off with the words of Jesus, let me respond with those of Pelagius, a monk from the 5th Century AD, “You will realize that doctrines are the inventions of the human mind as it tries to penetrate the mystery of God. Thus it is not what you believe that matters; it is how you respond with your heart and your actions. It is not believing in Christ that matters; it is becoming like him.”
 
Best,
 
Mike Farrell
(MRFF Board of Advisors)

Response from MRFF Board Member John Compere
It is important to note your revisionist American history is fiction not fact. Here are a few historical facts to consider –
 
*Many Founding Fathers were Deists not orthodox Christians (e.g. Washington, Franklin, Jefferson, Madison, Paine, et al).
 
*The majority of early colonists fled Europe to escape oppression & persecution by the Protestant Anglican Church & Roman Catholic Church. Over 80% of colonists were not members of an American Christian church in 1776.
 
*The 1776 Declaration of Independence used universal terms & declared government derives its “…just Powers from the Consent of the Governed…”.
 
*There were no opening or closing public prayers during the 116 days of the 1787 Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia. The US Constitution & Preamble are strictly secular with no reference to any higher authority other than the people.
 
*We became the 1st nation in history to constitutionally provide & protect freedom of belief by separating government & religion (Article VI & 1st Amendment). Even Jesus separated government & religion (Matthew 22:21; Mark 12:17).
*The 1797 Treaty of Tripoli, an international legal document, confirmed to the world “…the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.” It was negotiated during 1st President Washington’s administration, unanimously ratified by the US Senate & signed by 2nd President Adams.
 

It is also important to remember truth is a tenet of most religious faiths, including Christianity.


Response from MRFF Supporter  Rabbi Joel R. Schwartzman,  Chaplain, Colonel, USAF (Ret)
Supersessionism isn’t a word you would find on most people’s lips.  Nor should it be.  It describes a claim which literally supersedes all others in its category.  It means “to succeed,” and implies “replacement” as well.  When applied to sports, it refers to a preeminent team. When it comes to religion, it acquires a sinister meaning because it makes claims that only one religion has the eye and ear of God, eliminating and effacing any other religion’s legitimacy and reducing its relationship to the Almighty as secondary at best but as altogether nonsense at worst.
            I have no qualms about a person’s expression of his or her faith.  That is a highly personal, deeply felt belief that the Constitution and laws of the United States have sought to protect for centuries. That some the founders of this country arrived here to escape religious persecution and to believe, congregate and worship as they wished is part of the ethos of this country.  That some became loath to extend those same privileges to others of other faiths is also woven into the fabric of the nation.  But, eventually, the wisdom of the majority of  leaders of the nascent colonies won out and religious freedoms were extended to all.
            Where religion becomes dangerous and a threat to the populace is when it adopts a supersessionistic posture, discounting and denigrating all other expressions of faith that is not the one making the claim.  Many have suffered persecution and even died when this expression has ascended to power in any nation.  It is true today in the Middle East as Islamists put Christians to the sword, the shell and the bullet…all in the name of God.  It would be true in this country as well were it not for those who staunchly stand against the religious fanatics who would seek to impose their beliefs on all whom they deem non-believers.  In the extreme and with a type of perverse logic, they would take lives into order bring those same lives to salvation.  Just as they believe themselves to be saved, so would they attempt to bring such a “state of grace” to all others.
            Thankfully there are those who would and do stand up to such religious bigotry. Maligned and too often physically threatened, they fight the good fight in the name of a freedom their adversaries hardly would appreciate, let alone recognize.  These would-be religious tyrants reign their calumnies and distortions upon those they deem as faithless.  They claim to be the all-righteous keepers of the national flame, but, in fact, represent a danger to the republic they seek to dominate.  In the extreme, they can be and too often are violent, justifying despicable acts by claiming sanctions from their deity.
            What I am responding to is both a nation-wide expression of supersessionism and an example that you, Ray Suiter, if that is indeed your name, have provided here.  As I stated at the outset, you have a perfect right to believe as you, as an individual, do.  Where you cross the line, aside from several historical anachronisms and inaccuracies you employ, is when you seek to impose your brand of religion on everyone else. 
The MRFF stands with other like-minded groups to counter the victory you seek which detracts, demeans, distorts and dismisses any express of faith other than your own.  In memory of all those of all faiths who have died for your right to believe in the god that you do, you ought to feel shame and remorse for what you have written.  For maligning and disparaging others who do not believe as you do and would never wish to be converted from their beliefs, you must be blocked, because what you advocate boils down to a hateful, religious oppression. 
Thank God, this nation has a Constitution with a First Amendment in its Bill of Rights that protects me from people like you and your ilk. Long may it stand so that every American’s freedom of worship and religious expression remains a guaranteed right rather than a bludgeon you would have religion become.
 
Rabbi Joel R. Schwartzman,  Chaplain, Colonel, USAF (Ret)
Charlottesville, VA
 

 


Dear Joel,

You completely twisted and spun my letter to try and make it say something it did not say.  But that is the way with bigoted people like you and Mikey Weinstein.  Our First Amendment to the Constitution was written to reiterate that Americans were guaranteed the freedom of religion not “the freedom from religion” that you state it was designed to produce.  True Christians are “evangelical” because they have something very helpful to share with searching and troubled souls, whether they be in the military or civilian life.  Your religion is not evangelical perhaps because you have nothing to share with those who need help.   Isn’t it ironic that the Christian community in the United States of America is the true ally of the nation of Israel  both financially and in moral support.  There are multitudes of  American Christians who support Israel far beyond the help that they receive from the left wing JINOS who live in America?

 

Why would we not be evangelical when Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior has commanded us. “Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel (good news) to every creature.  He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”   (Mark’s gospel chapter 16, verse 15,16.)  That Savior Jesus Christ is Yeshua the Messiah of Israel and the same Savior and Lord that Isaiah the prophet described in loving inspired words from Jehovah in Isaiah chapter 53.  He is talking about the Messiah who died for your sins on the cross of Calvary and rose from the dead to bring us new life.  The people who you are condemning and are “bludgeoning” with your violent actions are the sweet Christian men and women who love their fellow soldiers and share hope and salvation with them when they are troubled.  You and Mikey Weinstein call the caring that these soldiers are sharing with their fellow soldiers is “spiritual rape” and “sedition and treason that should be punished>”  I have never heard any true Christian use those kind of filthy words to describe your actions of banning Bibles, banning a funeral service from naming Jesus Christ in the service, prohibiting veterans in hospitals from receiving gospel portions or Bibles, and on and on.  No, Joel, it is your organization that is doing the “BLUDGEONING” like Hitler’s Gestapo.  You are the “security threat” to our military like you accuse Christians of being.

 

I feel sad that you served apparently as a chaplain in our wonderful U.S. military.  How many men and women didn’t receive real help when they needed it because you apparently had nothing to share with them.  I am not intimidated in the least by your bullying response to my letter to your organization—-you should be ashamed tor writing it and trying to defame the wonderful messengers of Christ that only want to be there with help for hungry service men and women and veterans.

 

I will pray for you that you will find Jesus Christ as your Lord, Savior, and Messiah before you have to take a step out into an eternity, for which you seem totally unprepared to meet.  Remember this Joel, “And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many, and unto them that look for Him shall He appear the second time without sin unto salvation.”  (Hebrews 9:27,28)

 

Sincerely,,

(name withheld)


Response from MRFF Supporter  Rabbi Joel R. Schwartzman

(name withheld),
 
That you would invoke a comparison between the work of the MRFF and its supporters like myself to the Nazis demonstrates the level of despicable rhetoric that Supercessionist Christians like yourself stoop to employ.  It frankly is a clear example of you, beyond your limited comprehension, employing hurtful verbiage which is demeaning, disgusting and dismissive. 
 
I have nothing more to say to you whom I deem to be an anti-Semite of the worst ilk. You may quote the New Testament at every and any juncture, but you have completely misread Jesus’ message of love and tolerance as you seek to run your threats of damnation and hell-fire down the throats of all those who truly are not in need of the snake oil that you are attempting to sell or interested in your attempts to confuse and convert.  You need not respond to this email.  I’m done with you.
 
I do, however, wish you an enlightened Easter.  More than the average Joe, you need its inherent message that your sins…which are many and egregious…are being forgiven.  It is a shame than your eyes are blind to this vision and your ears are closed to the self-righteous, self-aggrandizing, dangerous “religious” faith you are peddling.  Sadly, you’ll neither hear nor see, but will go on sinning against your fellow human beings as you seek to disrupt, dominate and control them.
 
Rabbi Joel R. Schwartzman
Charlottesville, Virginia

 

 

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2 Comments

  1. Ironmoped

    Hey Christian,
    Your conclusions (about everything) are completely wrong, just as I imagine your geocentric views on the solar system are. You don’t see the irony in your own vitriol, a fundamentally American Christian point of view. I imagine you’d have been leading the charge to have Copernicus, Galileo, and Bruno all burned at the stake, owing to your belief in magical thinking. I imagine you to have been the one leading the inquests, and burning witches in Salem, all owing to what you think the all powerful, all knowing creator of the Universe requires of you to do to “help him” police the masses!
    You present an argument from authority fallacy in reference to your mythical God. I can imagine you using the Bible to prove the Bible!

    1 Corinthians 13:11, “When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things…”
    Maybe you just never fully matured!

  2. Jeff

    There’s somebody who needs a history lesson. There’s a reason the word “God” isn’t in the constitution. Anyone who claims that the Declaration of Independence was the nation’s “founding document” is not speaking from a position of knowledge.

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