Five months have past since you worked over a few gravestones for “religious” freedom.
What can you do for an encore?
Maybe you can con the government into digging those graves up and inspecting the remains to insure that they were buried with no offending (to You) items.
I will send you a shovel.
Your greatest admirer in Saint Augustine,
Response from MRFF Founder and President Mikey Weinstein
You seem to be upset about something, little sport?… I think you need to be a little more specific…Not your greatest admirer in New Mexico…And probably not a great idea to tell me you’re going to buy me something and send it to me in the mail…
Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Marty France
(name withheld), you bring up an interesting point, albeit unintentionally, that makes me think a little. I’ve visited the US cemetery at Omaha Beach twice in my life–both very moving experiences. One thing that struck me is that ALL of the grave markers are religious. It was just assumed that all of the dead buried there were Christian or Jewish as you can’t find a gravestone there that isn’t marked in one of those two ways. Fortunately, at places like Arlington and other national cemeteries in the US, almost all have gravestones that don’t overtly show a religious symbol but rather they’re engraved on the standard headstone.
I bring this up because I’m an atheist. If I were killed in battle and the headstone placed above my grave was a cross because I appeared to be a white American with a non-Jewish-sounding name, then I would EXPECT my family to object. I would EXPECT them to dig up my grave and put my remains somewhere else under a gravestone that accurately reflected my beliefs when I was alive. I also would not want to be buried in a cemetery in which a trademarked symbol of my service was clearly attached to a Christian-only message that implied that Jesus had died for our citizens as had I (and others). I just don’t believe that myth personally and wouldn’t want to be associated with it–it’s unconstitutional to assume that I should. (if this doesn’t ring a bell, Google “MRFF Monument Colorado Cemetery”)
What the MRFF does is protect those from being ASSUMED to be something that they are not. They protect members of the military from the damaging and insulting and disrespectful and unconstitutional expectations that they may be something they are not. They protect our rights to free speech and to worship or not as we so choose.
So, should the MRFF call for the protection of the rights of all military members as well as the rights of their descendants? Yes! Should they stop the government from advertising and endorsing hateful symbols that oppress others? Yes.
And I’m glad they do.
Thanks for writing and making me think about this a little today. Have a very scientific day!
Marty France, PhD
Brigadier General, USAF (Retired)
MRFF Advisory Board Member
Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Larry Wilkerson
(name withheld), whatever your name and game are, let me say that we welcome your non-profane, non-obscene, non-I-wouldn’t-know-a-gramatically-sound-English-sentence-were-it-to-hit-me-in-the-face email. So different from what we get from the standard brainless Fundamentalists we usually hear from. Thanks for that.
But your critical analytical prowess leaves a bit to be desired. Since you used the plural, i.e., “gravestones”, I must assume you mean the ones with nazi swastikas. If you have a problem with their removal, after protests from people who had others buried near them, some of the Jewish faith, you must be an anti-Semite at root. Please allow us to inform you we have no truck for people like you in that regard.
Incidentally, if we are correct in that last assessment, as an encore–which you request–we might consider rooting you out and reporting on your heinous predisposition to prejudice of that sort.
As for sending us a shovel, please do so but ensure you pay the postage. We’ll use it at a suitable graveside ceremony where we bury your email in the dust and dirt where it belongs.
Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson
Response from MRFF Board Member John Compere
Your sarcastic & sanctimonious sermonizing is morally misdirected. It would be more righteously & rationally redirected at those adults who lacked the integrity & intelligence to advise a well-intended young Eagle Scout his project could not be placed on government owned & operated property as government endorsed because it was unlawful & violated the US Constitution, American law & Department of Defense regulatory directives. Loyal & law-abiding Americans respect the Constitution, obey laws & teach our children to do the same.
The very definition of a republic is “…a nation of laws and not of man.” American Founder & 2nd President John Adams (“Thoughts on Government”, 1776).
Brigadier General John Compere, US Army (Retired)
Disabled American Veteran (Vietnam Era)
Board Member, Military Religious Freedom Foundation (84% Christians)
Melted snow flake, I am only offering to help supply you with practical tools to help you continue with your interest in messing around in graveyards.
Lighten up, you really are only a legend of great importance in your own mind. I feel like we are friends now… because you did not initiate your standard practice of demeaning the education of those that oppose your point of view. I have read up on you and I support many of the things that you represent and I support you in somethings that you oppose. Nevertheless you should have stayed out of my father’s graveyard in San Antonio because you did upset the serenity of his final resting place forever and I had to call you on this. Sorry if opposing views make you feel threatened but I assumed that you were familiar with the first amendment.
Response from MRFF’s Founder and President Mikey Weinstein
Listen, Skippy, we have over 73,000 clients and about 600 people work here at the foundation, paid and volunteers… We get a lot of threats every day and night… we are used to it and know how to deal with it… You just violated one of our foundational protocols by telling me that you were going to “mail” something to me…A shovel for Grave-digging?!?!…Your threat has been reported to our legal counsel and to law-enforcement as well as our own MRFF security folks …Think about it, little cream puff… This is your problem not mine…oh, chump, & I think I know a little more about the First Amendment than you do… Unless you would like to tell me which law school you attended and graduated from and how many years you spent In the White House… Now off you go… Aren’t you late for a book burning or something…?
Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Mike Farrell
It’s a little hard to follow exactly what your problem is here, but rest assured that those who actually understand what the MRFF is doing are appreciative and supportive of Mikey and the work we do.
It appears you have a personal beef and that’s not something we can help with, sorry to say. Clearly our work doesn’t sit well with some, but most people who understand the concept of the separation of church and state get it. Of course for some who want to make the U.S. a Christian nation that’s a problem, but for most others, while often necessitating a bit of education, it’s not.
For you, it sounds like an old wound that hasn’t fully healed. I hope time helps.
(MRFF Board of Advisors)