Shame on you

Published On: June 6, 2021|Categories: MRFF's Inbox|3 Comments|

From: (name withheld)
Subject: Shame on you
Date: June 6, 2021 at 3:19:58 AM MDT
To: “‘[email protected]‘” <[email protected]>

May your organization burn in hell. Wow what idiots. Soldiers fought for freedom and you pull this crap on a teenager. You are sick. We are not an overly religious family yet my father said in a news article (WWII vet) we all prayed before a mission because it made us feel better. If your organization has a problem with that move to a communist country and get out of the US.
Do you know what 5 bronze stars means? My brother earned those and several others in Vietnam and right now I think he would drop a bomb on your organization if he did not die from Agent Orange and a crappy vet doctor killed him. You would be better off fixing that problem but noooooo you go on a wack job mission against people that simply believe in God. You are a bunch of sick people. 
Anti American in my book. If you don’t like references to religion and Jesus, just walk away and shut the heck up. You probably represent a bunch of phony veterans that were never in the service or were pencil pushers.

(name withheld)

Response from MRFF Board Member John Compere

On Jun 6, 2021, at 8:27 AM, John Compere wrote:

For your information, the monument was originally placed prominently on government owned & operated property indicating government endorsement violating the US Constitution, American law & Department of Defense regulatory directives. Many local citizens, including Christians, encountered it upon entering the cemetery, were offended by its blatant illegality & requested its removal. The subsequent private sale of “burial rights” to the plot of land (not title to the land) raises even more legal questions. The illicit use of official military department symbols violating copyright/trademark/licensing rights of the Department of Defense remains unresolved.
Your presumptuous & pompous protest is morally misdirected. It should be directed at those adults who lacked the intelligence & integrity to advise a well-intended young Eagle Scout his project could not be placed on government owned & operated property implying government endorsement because it was unconstitutional, unlawful & a federal regulation violation. It is a sad commentary on our society when an innocent minor is used by adults in an attempt to circumvent our laws & proselytize their version of religion as government sponsored & supported which has been unconstitutional since ratification of the 1st Amendment in 1791. Loyal & law-abiding Americans respect the Constitution, obey our laws & teach children to do the same.
Brigadier General John Compere, US Army (Retired)Disabled American Veteran (Vietnam Era)Board Member, Military Religious Freedom Foundation (85% Christians)

Response from MRFF Supporter

On Jun 6, 2021, at 5:44 PM, (name withheld) wrote:

Dear (name withheld)

I think that your “salt has lost its flavor” and has no use. Jesus said something about that, but I digress. 
I read your rather angry and kind of threatening email to Mr. Weinstein, an honor graduate of the Air Force Academy who served for 10 years on active duty becoming an Officer in the Judge Advocate General’s Corps. His father, a Naval Academy Graduate retired as a Lt. Colonel. in the USAF They are Jewish. His foundation is dedicated to religious Liberty for all Americans, especially those serving in the Armed Forces. 96% of MRFF’s clients are Christians, including Evangelical Christians who he supports and defends with the highest gratitude for their service. Likewise, 85% of the MRFF paid staff and volunteers are Christians. 

I am a friend and associate of Mr. Weinstein. I am a now retired Christian Navy Chaplain having served 39 years, 4 months and 6 days of unbroken service in the Army and its reserve components and the active duty Navy in peace and in combat. I was not always a Chaplain and even as a Chaplain I have had people like the author of the article that you referenced try to destroy my career and make credible death threats against me.
Your completely unhinged and hate filled email epitomized the worst of America and displayed an ignorance of our Constitution and the sacred Oath that all of us who served this country are supposed to hold dear and defend with our lives and honor. It sounds like your brother did that and like many veterans advocates. I am not shy in taking the Department of Veterans Affairs to task for their shoddy treatment of so many veterans. However, you shamed and cheapened your brother’s life and service by throwing him out here. I cherish the memory of the men and women who died in Vietnam or died from other causes afterwards. My dad fought in Vietnam, I fought in Iraq, and war changed me. Five awards of the Bronze Star show his courage. But that is not the issue here.
This issue is your lack of understanding of the case, which is not surprising because you read Bob Unruh’s pathological post in the extremely paranoid and conspiracy theory online rag “World Net Daily.” Reading that drivel will rot your mind.
The first thing is that the case had very little to do with the Eagle Scout, he was a pawn in this nasty war against the Constitution. You see the cemetery in Monument is a public cemetery owned by the city. The City of Monument violated the “Establishment” clause of the First Amendment’s guarantee of the Freedom of Religion. They allowed the monument by the Eagle Scout to be placed prominently in a public tax payer funded cemetery giving the appearance of the City sanctioning a sectarian religious display which trampled the First Amendment. And yes, Mr. Weinstein’s comment that it was a “dumpster fire” is true because it shredded the Constitution, that he, I and your late brother swore to defend. 
This was part of the First Amendment because in several colonies the Anglican Church, or in New England the Congregational Church were trying to re-establish themselves as the state religion. In Virginia the Anglicans went around attacking Baptists when they were at worship, dragging their pastors, deacons and members to local lakes or streams to “re-baptize” them until the almost drowned. The leader of Virginia’s Baptists, a very evangelical pastor named John Leland appealed to his friends; including Thomas Jefferson, a skeptic who wrote a New Testament leaving out all of the miracles, and James Madison, a Deist. The three worked together to craft the Virginia Declaration on Religious Liberty and the First Amendment of the Constitution. Those key laws shape the relationship between Church and State. In fact Leland, who as I said was a very evangelical Christian intent on being able to preach the Gospel, believed that the Church and the State needed to be absolutely separated to protect religion from either being corrupted by the government and the citizens of the country to be free from any religion that could use the government to impose its rules on any citizen, regardless of their beliefs. The town of Monument chose to violate the First Amendment. Had they bothered to follow the law this would not have been an issue. The Scout could have erected a monument to all veterans without the quote, which actually disrespects every veteran who is or was not a Christian. Likewise it was in violation of long standing Department of Defense guidelines that prohibit the use of the seals of DOD and the Armed Service branches being used on a partisan display of any kind. 
The case has nothing to do with disrespecting Jesus, or the beliefs of Christians but rather the placement of the monument in a taxpayer supported public cemetery erected by the Eagle Scout and its use of DOD symbols to give it the appearance of sponsoring the Christian religion. I am a Christian and I found it abhorrent and deeply offensive because it violated the law and if you ever read the New Testament you have to remember what Jesus said, “render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and unto God what is God’s.” What the city of Monument did was an affront not only the Constitution but to the Gospel.
World Net Daily promotes the idea that the United States should be a “Christian Theocracy.” Of course what kind of Christian is not really spelled out ,but they frequently attack the views of Christians who hold views that don’t agree with them. So I suppose that if they ever succeed that they would be lining up their Christian critics to throw in jail or be executed.
This is the United States of America. Mr. Weinstein and MRFF fight for the religious liberties of all Americans by all who attempt to infringe on them as Monument did in this case.
When you tell Mr. Weinstein and others who support our Constitutional understanding of religious Liberty to move to a Communist Country you show that you are a complete ignoramus, devoid of any understanding, totally driven by the passion of the violent mob.
By the way, most of Mr. Weinstein’s violent attackers have the sense to use a spoofed or fake email address. You weren’t smart enough to do that. Because of that I know a lot about you. I won’t use it against, but I will provide it to Mr. Weinstein as he has lived under the threat of death by people like you for a couple of decades. Your email could encourage someone to try to kill him. His blood would be on your hands. The law is clear. Anyone who encourages, aids, or abets someone in committing murder is guilty.
So if you happen to be a Christian think about what Jesus said and then whether you are a Christian or not, remember the law.

(name withheld)

Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Mike Farrell

On Jun 8, 2021, at 12:51 PM, Mike wrote:

Dear (name withheld),

Going through the world, it might help you to know what you’re talking about before showing your ignorance in a nonsensical tirade at people you don’t know about a subject you happened on in a slanted article in an even-more slanted publication.,
Or perhaps you’re more comfortable just dumping your mindless bile wherever it suits you.
In any event, you’ve embarrassed yourself completely here. Any follow-up borne out of a reasonable desire to better understand a situation you’ve blundered into thoughtlessly should begin with an apology,.

Mike Farrell

MRFF Board of Advisors

On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 3:26 AM (name withheld) wrote:

Looks like I’m not the only one that thinks you are insane. 
I see you made the military corruption page. Been on this page before and they seem pretty up on military corruption. I was spot on not trusting you. You talk hat like a Liberal or Socialist. I will always be on God’s side. God Bless You and good bye.

(name withheld)

Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Mike Farrell

On Jun 10, 2021, at 5:59 PM, Mike wrote:

Oh, I’m sure you can find any number of cranks and fools to attack the MRFF. Bigots and anti-Semites (forgive the redundancy) who claim to be Christians but lack a comprehension of what Christ taught, have a field day screaming and weeping and tearing their hair because we support the long-understood and legally required separation of Church and State.
They, like you, want to claim we oppose Christianity (or sometimes it’s religion in general) and that we hate prayer and that we’re all communists or atheists or Satan’s spawn or whatever denotes evil in their little minds. It appears you see the enemy as “liberal” or Socialist.” But you see, they’re wrong and you’re wrong about all of it.
Yes we know what bronze stars are and yes we know soldiers sometimes pray before or during missions and we have no problem with any of that. Many of us are veterans, some officers and some enlisted. Many of us are deeply religious, caring people, some of us are clerics, priests, ministers, rabbis, imams, free thinkers, atheists, chaplains and leaders of other faiths. Most of those associated with the MRFF are Christians, as are most  people in our country, but we are joined in a commitment to ensure that ALL belief systems are honored and allowed in our military as they are in our government. No one belief system is the only right and true faith or belief system for everyone else, and no single belief system, no matter how zealously believed in, should be imposed on others, no matter how you or the Dominionists or the Christian Nation enthusiasts or the “I’m saved and you’re not” crowd want to twist history and fantasize about the Rapture.
You’ve chosen to send an ugly message about something you’re apparently incapable of understanding, and you did it because somebody pushed your button. Now you add to the insult by claiming to have found agreement that makes you even more comfortable in assuming your initial stupidity was justified. That’s a deep, dark hole you’ve started down, (name withheld)
Here’s a thought from Pelagius that might offer you some help: “You will realize that doctrines are inventions of the human mind, as it tries to penetrate the mystery of God. Thus it is not what you believe that matters; it is how you respond with your heart and your actions. It is not believing in Christ that matters; it is becoming like him.”

Mike Farrell(MRFF Board of Advisors)

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  1. Jeff June 11, 2021 at 12:50 pm

    Name Withheld thinks God is on the side of people who falsely accuse others of hate in order to mask and avoid addressing their own hate and ignorance. God is allegedly pretty smart – it stands to reason that a supreme being would understand that freedom of religion can’t exist when religion and government mix. It seems that Name Withheld doesn’t much favor freedom of religion – or they are just not very bright.

  2. ironmoped June 15, 2021 at 11:29 pm

    Name withheld – which God do you believe in? Allahu Akbar! ;-)

  3. Grey One Talks Sass June 21, 2021 at 3:19 am

    Name Withheld said “ You probably represent a bunch of phony veterans that were never in the service or were pencil pushers.”

    So warriors on the front line don’t need inventory? They don’t need to eat, sleep, or take care of bodily functions after the battle is over?

    And most importantly, IMO, to Name Withheld no one in the military needs to be paid. O_o

    Pencil pushers ensure warriors have everything they need for the mission to succeed. One may be an ‘Army of One’ in the ads but in the real life it takes a team to support our warriors.

    (As I’ve observed the military is a lot like the Theatre. Everyone sees the actors on stage without understanding the mass of humanity necessary to make the show possible. I won’t name names. This comment is long enough as it is.)

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