From: (name withheld)
Date: October 26, 2021 at 12:44:21 PM MDT
To: [email protected]
Subject:Re your foundation
Dear Mr. Weinstein,
Evidently you are clearly a self-hating Jew!
Your statement at the top of your website is so ironic,in that the declares:
“there is only one religious symbol: the American flag. There is only one religious scripture: the American Constitution. Finally, there is only one religious faith: American patriotism.”
What an absurd, ignorant and factually incorrect blubbering bunch of dung! (to use a Bible word)
Are you even informed as to the history of this country? Have you ever read the Constitution, theBill of Rights and/or the Federalist Papers? Have you read the Old Testament? Have you read the New Testament?
Your statement sadly reflects that if you have, you either did not understand or are so blindly hateful that you don’t seem to even see the hypocrisy and phoniness of your position!
The American Flag was designed to show that RED – the color of blood shed by Jesus Christ,allows the WHITE – to show the righteousness given to us by our belief in Him so that we can be reconciled to God the Father.
The American Constitution was written to GLORIFY GOD and the FREEDOM HE HAS GIVEN!It invokes God in so many ways, it’s inconceivable that you can make this statement and then pretend you know it, understand it or falsely claim to stand by it!
Only one Religious Faith – American patriotism? What kind of logic is that? Does that mean that those who had religious faith in Nazi Germany are comparable to American patriotism? Nazi killers who murdered 6 million Jews were considered patriots – what say you to that?
Please take your hate for ALMIGHTY GOD – and remember that HE is long in patience, kind and forgiving of our transgressions and sins though they are many.
Jesus Christ was born, lived, performed irrefutable miracles and then rose from the dead – ALLTO GIVE SOMEONE LIKE YOU ETERNAL LIFE! Remember father Abraham believed GOD,and it was accounted to him for righteousness!
Consider what HE has done for you!
Response from MRFF Board Member John Compere
From: John Compere
Date: October 26, 2021 at 3:57:07 PM MDT
To: (name withheld)
Cc: Mikey Weinstein <[email protected]>
Subject: Fw: Re your foundation
Mr. (name withheld),
This will acknowledge receipt of your repugnant religious racist ranting & sordid sanctimonious sectarian sermonizing. Surely you have better things to do with your time & life than hurling hatred hypocritically at a fellow American you do not even know. But, apparently you do not. You obviously do not comprehend that asinine acrimonious attacks such as yours only encourage the Foundation to pursue its military religious freedom mission & ensure more support from patriotic Americans who respect the secular US Constitution & its religious freedom.
Regarding the statement at the top of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation website, it is recommended you read the definition of “metaphor” in an American dictionary.
“Self-righteousness feels good for the moment, but only in the way that peeing in your pants feels warm for the moment.” – Reverend Nadia Bolz-Weber (American clergy, public theologian & best selling author).
Brigadier General John Compere, US Army (Retired)
Disabled American Veteran (Vietnam Era)
Board Member, Military Religious Freedom Foundation (composed of 85% Christians)
Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member James Currie
On Oct 26, 2021, at 6:01 PM, James Currie wrote:
Dear Mr. Swim:
As a proud member of the Advisory Board of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF), I will do my best to respond to your recent attack on MRFF and its Founder, Mikey Weinstein. If some of the words I use are too big for you to understand, please look them up. If we were talking in person I would speak very slowly for your benefit, so I’ll type slowly instead, in hopes that you will comprehend a portion, at least, of what I write.
You obviously know nothing of Mikey’s background: Air Force Academy graduate (with honors), practicing attorney, veteran, staffer for President Ronald Reagan. Unlike you, he truly understands the Constitution of the United States, a document which he has sworn to defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic. We don’t know who you are, as you did not identify yourself in your polemic against Mikey and MRFF. A quick Google search turned up a “David Swim” who is a “funeral consultant” currently living in San Diego. Maybe that is you. Nothing against funeral consultants, as we are all going to die someday, but there is nothing in your background that suggests that you ever served in the military or have any special understanding of our country’s history and the role of religion in it.
Perhaps you should do a certain amount of research before sitting at your computer and dashing off hastily-composed polemics (might need to look up the word). You actually mention the Federalist Papers in your missive and wonder if Mikey has read them. I know for a fact that he has done so, but I rather doubt that you have, for if you were at all familiar with James Madison, one of the three co-authors of the Federalist Papers, you would know that he believed in the separation of church and state under our Constitution. Madison, for your information, was the member of the First Federal Congress who introduced what we call the Bill of Rights. Amendment One—you can look it up if you are not familiar with it—says that Congress shall “make no law respecting an establishment of religion.” As Thomas Jefferson later explained, this amendment erected a “wall of separation between church and state.” It is that wall of separation that MRFF and Mikey Weinstein seek to protect against the intrusions of individuals like yourself who do not understand the Constitution. That wall of separation has stood for more than 240 years, and it is one of the foundations of our government. It is one reason why we have not had the sectarian strife endemic in so many other countries. We’ve not had Protestants and Catholics fighting and killing each other over religious differences as has happened in Europe. We have not had Sunni and Shia Muslims fighting and killing each other over religious differences as in Iraq. We have not had Arabs and Jews fighting and killing each other as has happened in the Middle East. Why is this, Mr. Swim? It can be directly attributed to the fact that in our great country we favor no religion over another and we tolerate no persecution of anyone because of their religious beliefs, or lack thereof. Our military is strong because it is non-sectarian—there’s one of those words you may have to look up—any soldier or sailor or airman or Marine can count on another to “protect their six,” no matter how they view religion. That’s not a given in some countries and in some military forces. Your ilk would change our Constitution as it has existed since 1789 and would impose a religious test—something that is forbidden by our founding document.
You are free to believe what you want, sir, and to espouse even the most absurd interpretations of our Constitution, all because of that First Amendment that I wrote about earlier. But you can expect no support from our government when you do so, because of that “wall of separation” between church and state that Jefferson wrote about. Be grateful, Mr. Swim, that MRFF and Mikey Weinstein are out there every day fighting for our Constitution and doing their best to uphold its true meaning. I highly recommend that you stick to comforting the bereaved, if you are capable of doing so, and leave the histrionics—another word for you to look up—alone. You might also want to read the Constitution in its entirety and perhaps read a few books on its creation. I recommend Broadus and Louise Mitchell’s venerable A Biography of the Constitution of the United States as a starter for you.
Col. James T. Currie, USA (Ret.), Ph.D.
Board of Advisors, MRFF
Response from MRFF Supporter Fr Steve Dundas
On Oct 27, 2021, at 9:22 PM, Steve wrote:
(name withheld), or shall I say, Jew Baiting, Christian Nationalist, Ignoramus?
I received your incredible hate filled and ignorant screed from Mr. Weinstein, who I am proud to count as a friend and colleague. I am a recently retired Navy Chaplain, combat veteran, that served for almost 40 years in the Army and Navy. I am also a historian, a real one who has taught high ranking military officers at the Joint Forces Staff College, but enough about me, as I am something of an Inglorious Basterd, I like smoking Jew hating Nazi swine like you out of their bunkers.
You were so easy to find because unlike quite a few of Mr. Weinstein’s attackers, you used your real name, email and phone in your screed. Most don’t put down their real name and use spoofed or fake email addresses. It actually makes hunting wannabe Nazis like you far too easy. It’s a good thing that I am not Aldo the Apache and don’t believe in resorting to violence unless my life or my family or friends lives are threatened and in imminent danger.
Apparently, you are a casket salesman of all things residing in San Diego, where my dad was stationed in the early 1960s. I hate to talk about me again, but I am also a dyed in the wool Navy brat. My whole life as been connected to the military, if not in it as the child of a Navy Vietnam veteran, and you sell overpriced castes to grieving survivors of the dead. I wonder how much you have been paid to you by military families of all faiths for your services. Likewise, I wonder how many of the Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, or people with no religion actually know how you view them, which by reading your excruciatingly feckless, tactless, and fact deprived stories of our flag and Constitution demonstrate.
I seriously doubt that you have read the Constitution, or even understand what you have read in terms of history, law, and precedent, the Bill of Rights, and the other 17 amendments, much less the Federalist and Anti-Federalist papers. Since the vast majority of the men who drafted and ratified the Constitution and Bill of Rights were not Christians in any way you would define them. Jefferson was a skeptic, Madison a Deist, and they wrote the First Amendment with the help of a Virginia Baptist leader named John Leland.
Since most people who call themselves Christians nowadays think that their rights Trump the rights of all other people, have never heard of Leland, let me tell you a bit about him. Back then, Baptists were a persecuted religious minority who believed in the absolute separation of Church and State. In fact where Leland was in Virginia, the Episcopal Church was trying desperately to become the State Church as it was when Virginia was an English Colony. They sent mobs to attack Baptist congregations, dragging their pastors and members out to the nearest river, Creek, or lake to be “re-baptized” until they either were drowned or nearly drowned. So what did Leland believe about religious liberty and the Separation of Church and State:
In 1790 he wrote: “The notion of a Christian commonwealth should be exploded forever. … Government should protect every man in thinking and speaking freely, and see that one does not abuse another. The liberty I contend for is more than toleration. The very idea of toleration is despicable; it supposes that some have a pre-eminence above the rest to grant indulgence, whereas all should be equally free, Jews, Turks, Pagans and Christians.”
In 1791: “Is conformity of sentiments in matters of religion essential to the happiness of civil government? Not at all. Government has no more to do with the religious opinions of men than it has with the principles of mathematics. Let every man speak freely without fear–maintain the principles that he believes–worship according to his own faith, either one God, three Gods, no God, or twenty Gods; and let government protect him in so doing, i.e., see that he meets with no personal abuse or loss of property for his religious opinions. Instead of discouraging him with proscriptions, fines, confiscation or death, let him be encouraged, as a free man, to bring forth his arguments and maintain his points with all boldness; then if his doctrine is false it will be confuted, and if it is true (though ever so novel) let others credit it. When every man has this liberty what can he wish for more? A liberal man asks for nothing more of government.”
And in 1820: “The liberty I contend for is more than toleration. The very idea of toleration is despicable; it supposes that some have a pre-eminence above the rest to grant indulgence; whereas all should be equally free, Jews, Turks [Muslims], Pagans and Christians. Test oaths and established creeds should be avoided as the worst of evils.”
That, Mr. Jew Baiting, Christian Nationalist, Ignoramus, is the real history of what Christians did to prohibit the separation of church and state, the very thing that Mr. Weinstein and the MRFF stand for in spite of repeated threats and frequent attacks on the First Amendment by people like you.
The things that you ramble on about, like the colors of the flag standing for the “blood of Jesus” and “White to show the Righteousness given to us by him” is a lot of contemporary Christian Nationalist bullshit that began with the political rise of the Religious Right which used the Bi-Centennial in 1976 to push this revisionist agenda. Likewise show one document to show that those who wrote and who voted to ratify it believed as you say. There are none. In fact the only place in the Constitution where God is mentioned at all is in the closing, in describing the date of its signing before it was ratified. That is hardly a resounding vote of confidence is the crap that you throw at Mr. Weinstein and those of us Christians who believe like John Leland. It proves that you know nothing about the Constitution.
Your slurs directed toward Mr. Weinstein are abominable, salacious, scandalous, and damnable. He is a Jew who lost many relatives during the Holocaust. Both he and his father served the United States as Commissioned Officer, Mr. Weinstein graduated in top of his class at the Air Force Academy, and as a Judge Advocate General Officer he knows the Constitution inside and out, as well as United States and military law, something that you are so ignorant of that it makes my head spin.
But then your version of Christianity is a Nationalist Cult so divorced from the teachings of the Gospel that it is unrecognizable as anything Christian, it more resembles the “German Christian Movement”, the religious arm of the Nazi Party, and since the vast majority of German Christians chose to back the Nazis, or not protest, simply becoming willing servants and perpetrators or enablers of the Holocaust, with many simply turning a blind eye to the evils perpetrated by their government. Some would resist, and die for their opposition to Hitler, but they were an insignificant minority.
In fact I accuse you of the same thing I would the German Christians who so blindly followed Hitler and twisted Christian doctrine to subordinate it to Nazi doctrine. In your case I say that you have surrendered your faith for one that denies Jesus and exalts the myths of the political right. What you represent is both evil and contemptible.
Mr. Weinstein and the MRFF are the true patriots here. You and those like you desire an authoritarian Fascist State with your version of Christianity as its State religion, something the Framers stood against and warned us about.
Mr. Weinstein receives countless and very real death threats from supposed Christians, many who openly declare their allegiance to Nazi principles, race hatred toward Jews, Blacks, and any others they believe are Untermenschen, or subhuman. You obviously see him as that in your characterization of him as a “self-hating Jew.” Only someone who twisted the Christian faith into right wing nationalism could say something so obviously best described as evil Jew baiting.
You may not bill yourself as a Nazi, but your words speak volumes. You, the greedy undertaker from San Diego. That would be a great title for a Beach Boys song.
So I bid you adieu, which in the original French means go play with yourself.
With all sincerity and absolutely no respect I say hastalawiedersehen.
Fr. Steve Dundas, CDR, CHC US Navy RetiredPriest, Historian, and Author