Worship as you please. Isn’t that what the we are guaranteed but that’s not good enough for you guys. One day every knee will bow and acknowledge God. Then you will know if you’re right or wrong about all the mischief you’re trying to cause. If I’m wrong about Jesus Christ being the son of our Devine Creator, that freely gave His life for our sins, died on the cross and came back to life again three days later and then ascended to heaven what have I to lose? But then again if I’m right and you’re wrong then you will suffer for sure.
Good hunting.
(name withheld)
Response from MRFF Founder and President Mikey Weinstein
On Jul 14, 2020, at 9:21 PM, Mikey Weinstein wrote:
Seriously, sport, you have to default to the tired old fallacies of “Pascal’s Wager”?… That’s the argument of a loser… Congratulations for revealing yourself… Mikey Weinstein…
We shall see who the loser is in the end. I will pray that God will put someone in your pathway that will enlighten you about the truth and not the lies that you hold onto. God freely offers His mercy and forgiveness of your sins. No charge only requires that you believe that Jesus Christ is the son and that you ask Him to forgive you. But, that’s up to you.
(name withheld)
Response from MRFF Founder and President Mikey Weinstein
…nah…..already considered it….not for me….glad you’re good with it tho….
Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Martin France
On Jul 15, 2020, at 7:07 AM, Martin France wrote:
(name withheld), I’m good with your view and I’m more than happy to proceed with my life as an atheist. I’m not speaking for all of the MRFF or even Mikey, though, when I say that because my religious views are my own. I’ll defend your right to believe in vindictive sky fairies all you want, so long as you allow me to worship in the beautiful god-free mountains of Colorado unfettered by your all powerful judgment. The MRFF wants all to believe as they see fit, but at the same time insists that that belief not manifest itself as bias and bigotry in the military workplace. That’s all. It’s not our job–or within our skill set–to definitively declare that we know what will happen after our own deaths. For me, I’ll roll the dice because, if (as you claim) the all merciful god that created me thinks that a life led with 40+ years of service to my nation, a faithful marriage that’s lasted almost that long, too (so far), and a circle of family and friends that I think are uniformly good people, I should still be rewarded by an eternity in some imagined, agonizing Hell just because some Iron Age scribblings transcribed, translated, and compiled by committee decades after its hero died (without any other reliable sources and any eye-witnesses left alive) says I should go to church and give away my money every Sunday, then so be it. After a lifetime in Colorado, I may even enjoy the warm weather. Plus, the company will be a lot more entertaining. All the best, my friend!
M France
Brigadier General, USAF (Retired)
MRFF Advisory Board Member
Response from MRFF Board Member John Compere
On Jul 15, 2020, at 8:51 AM, John Compere wrote:
Please be advised American “religious freedom” is not now & has never been the presumptuous privilege of publicly imposing one’s private religious beliefs upon others, especially in the secular military work environment where it disrupts & interferes with the secular military mission. Military chapels are provided for religious worship & military chaplains for religious instruction for those who seek them.
The Military Religious Freedom Foundation is the only American non-profit civil rights organization dedicated solely to protecting the constitutional right to religious freedom of our military men & women from those who do not respect their right. To date, the Foundation has represented almost 70,000 military members (95% are Christians) who requested assistance & has been officially nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize 7 times for this pro-bono advocacy. We will proudly & patriotically continue to do so as long as their are those who do not respect the inalienable right provided by our US Constitution & US Armed Forces regulations for our military members to determine, enjoy & practice their own religious or non-religious beliefs.
Your self-righteous & sectarian sermonizing is morally misdirected & would be more righteously redirected toward those who disrespect & disregard the laws, regulations & religious freedom rights of others.
“Forced worship stinks in God’s nostrils.” – Roger Williams (American clergy, religious freedom advocate, founder of Rhode Island colony & the first Baptist Church in America).
“When any human group decides they can define God, the outcome is always predictable. The ‘true faith’…must then be forced upon all people…” – John Shelby Spong (Retired Episcopal Bishop, best selling author & renown international lecturer)
Brigadier General John Compere, US Army (Retired)
Disabled American Veteran (Vietnam Era)
Board Member, Military Religious Freedom Foundation (composed of over 80% Christians)
Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Mike Farrell
On Jul 15, 2020, at 11:37 AM, Mike wrote:
Hi (name withheld),
You’re close. ‘Worship as and if you choose’ is more our point. You’re welcome to your belief and we protect that right
for everyone else in the military. We’re not trying to cause any “mischief,” as you suggest; our only interest is in protecting
everyone’s freedom to belielve or not believe as they choose.
Mike Farrell
(MRFF Board of Advisors)
The real loser Mikey, is the one who denies Christ and chooses to go to hell! That will be th worst choice you will ever make in your life here on earth. Life on earth will be a paradise compared to what hell will be like for you for all eternity. Never ending torment, let that soak in Mikey.
Oh Dear Compere,
Religious freedom does give us the right to share our faith with anyone and that is not something that is illegal, at least here in the United States. Last time I checked evangelism is not against the law. The Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses do it as well as Evangelical Christians. You or anyone else has the right to refuse to accept what they are sharing with you.
What I like best is sharing your faith to someone on an airplane, for where are they going to go at 30,000 feet. LOL If they say they are not interested then that is fine.
Allan: patriots like Mikey and the MRFF board members believe in religious freedom for all, as included in our constitution. That is why they do what they do. Chaplains and base commanders have every right to practice their religion. they don’t have a right to push their beliefs on their subordinates or use the base website home page to proselytize their beliefs. That’s what this is about – your paranoid fantasies about the MRFF denying freedom of religion are a product of your own prejudices. Mikey and the MRFF are defending freedom of religion, not attacking it.
Allan: a base commander or chaplain proselytizing to lower level personnel isn’t sharing his or her religion, and you know that. They are pressuring their subordinates to adopt their beliefs, which is a violation of the subordinates’ freedom of religion. And a violation of military regulations. Read the letters on this site from military service members, many Christian, who confirm this coercion is going on all over our military. Constitutional rights aren’t only for you. They’re for everyone.
Allan Baumann,
Your comment of proselytizing at 30,000 feet is standard operating procedure to humans who enjoy taking advantage (you say evangelizing I say proselytizing). Your audience is trapped – your favorite religious moment played out in fractals, amirite?
I must confess that I too enjoy when some hapless Christianist tries to play that game with me. See, I know the Christian Bible not as good as some but better than most and I know it’s weak points. Honestly, destroying another’s religious defense by poking holes is one of life’s unsung pleasures. Remember, you started this game so Yahoo! let’s rumble with the dogma!
I’ve met one evangelical Christian who stopped proselytizing me when I asked (. I liked the lady and respected her choice of faith). All the rest have not been so honorable, despite Allan’s statement that Christianists ‘respect’ boundaries.
Ha!